YOMI and Hype...

[coolwhip]

DISCLAIMER:

- By all accounts, Reno is a stand-up guy.
- The YOMI guys are people I have respect for and like. They are incredibly skilled and many of them have been really helpful throughout the years when it comes to answering gameplay related questions, sharing tech, etc...
- I do not fault YOMI for trying to grow and recruit the best players.

However, my question is, does YOMI's exponential growth kill the hype? To be clear, I AM NOT asking them to stop doing what they're doing. I accept reality, but I do wonder whether, from a neutral's perspective, it kills the hype.

As far as rivalries between teams, regions, and even individuals go, it does feel quite restrictive when the brackets are filled with teammates that happen to be teammates simply because they were more or less "recruited." It does feel like an all-star team, which don't get me wrong, is cool, and has a lot of benefits even for neutrals (their weeklies are practically majors as far as level of talent goes), but at the same time, it feels a little "inauthentic" if that's the word.

Again, I have nothing against REO, MIT, DJT, King, and the rest of the YOMI crew so I ask all of these guys not take it personally. But it just feels like YOMI has sort of derived many regions of their identity.

 

[Mikemetroid]

I personally like it, I want to be up against them. Love em all and I need to beat them all.

Kinda like the gym leaders lol

 

[protools27]

feel like someone posted this before and it was closed with a swiftness, which I thought was a bit of a kneejerk reaction. But I can't imagine Blake will like that it's up again lol. In any case, as I'm or a tourney player yomi doesn't really bother me, although I always thought it was funny when they would say "ah yea yomi in here" when their team is like 70 percent of the top players, so of course top 8 would have lots of yomi players.

Tldr: inb4 this is closed again lol

 

[Awkward Sloth]

They take a player from each scene when they come to town. I mean not always the best player but a player non the less. It's goofy. But it is what it is.

 

[sinosleep]

I think it's awesome. DMS' Sting vs NWO analogy for SonicFox vs Yomi is perfect. I love that people have to go through the Yomi gauntlet to win majors.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Fair to say Regional and coast hype is watered down a lot

 

[Zoidberg747]

I answered this in the other thread but the short answer is no:

Once again, YOMI has still not won a major. Now that may change if Sonic does join but otherwise you can always expect someone to challenge them. A lot of players dont have the ability to drop everything and move to the YOMI house. As long as we have players like SonicFox, Honeybee, Tyrant etc. there will always be competition to YOMI.

The reason why YOMI is so good for the scene is the level of gameplay we get to watch. These guys get to train against some of the best players every day, and it shows in there gameplay. This means that watching them is more exciting and you can learn more from it. They are basically advancing the meta at a rapid rate and forcing everyone else to catch up(a la VSM in MK9). Sure there may not be as strong rivalries(although I think if anything more scenes will want to try to take them out for bragging rights) but the gameplay itself is much more hype as a result.

YOMI is kind of like VSM in MK9. They are the top dogs and that makes people beating them even more hype. We didnt even get to see Orochi take out Slayer at TCW but you could hear the hype on the stream. Whenever an unkown or lesser known player beats them it is automatically hype.

Lastly, I strongly encourage a certain mod to not immediately close this thread in a fit of rage. This is good discussion and should be treated as such.

 

[SneakyTortoise]

I really like it. These guys are living together, training together, and you can tell they have a real bond. This makes them an actual team as opposed to just coastal or regional "teams" where most people who associate with someone from that area haven't even played with each other.

As long as they don't take ALL the best players from each region, I don't think it will be too much of a problem from a rivalry perspective.

Also, they're providing the highest level of gameplay which is hype in itself, and it's not like when it's Yomi vs Yomi they're just casually playing and don't care who wins. They almost want it more. Recently it was MIT and DJT in GF at their local and DJT won 6-0 and the salt was so real with MIT, you could see he wanted nothing more than to train harder in that match up and win. I love it.

I think Yomi are hype as fuck and I love what they're doing for this game/scene/community.

 

[jaepeso170]

I like and respect yomi. I feel dominance like that is respectful but it also gives motivation to tourney players to get better to either beat them or hold a candle to them....even join them......on a side note....im still unclear whether Sonicfox is the Jedi and Yomi the Empire or.....Fox is the Dark One and Yomi is the Resistance LOL

 

[Dizzy]

I think the past 3 weekends, which were bigger EC events, benefit greatly from YOMI being there. I think the touraments would have been fairly boring if it had less top level comp there. In the previous years many of the YOMI boys, especially Terry Bros and Michaelangelo, have not traveled much at all so I think them getting to more events is great.

The unfortunate side effect is that YOMI on YOMI matches feel considerably less hype. I'm not sure how to put it, but seeing a match like Forever King Jr vs MIT was much more interesting in MK9 or INJ when they didn't have YOMI tags in their names. But I feel like this is a relatively small price to pay as a viewer, compared to the increase in high quality matches that it produces compared to if YOMI was not at these tournaments.

 

[coolwhip]

Just to be clear, I didn't list the positives to YOMI because I thought they're obvious.

I completely agree with those who suggested that having so many good players together help advance the meta. We have a tangible and clear evidence of that. It's unbelievable to think the game is only 2 months old when you watch guys like DJT play it. So I really don't want to come off like I'm discrediting what they're doing or only seeing the negatives.

I was merely focusing on one aspect which is hype. Now for the YOMI players, they shouldn't care. I wouldn't if I were them. If I were a top player and I get offered an opportunity like this, I'd take it in a heartbeat. I just want to make this clear.

But, simply from a viewer's perspective, the hype gets watered down significantly when we've seen certain matches so many times in such a little span of time.

 

[Dizzy]

I like and respect yomi. I feel dominance like that is respectful but it also gives motivation to tourney players to get better to either beat them or hold a candle to them....even join them......on a side note....im still unclear whether Sonicfox is the Jedi and Yomi the Empire or.....Fox is the Dark One and Yomi is the Resistance LOL

I'll be Han Solo and @GGA 16 Bit can be Chewbacca

 

[coolwhip]

YOMI is kind of like VSM in MK9. They are the top dogs and that makes people beating them even more hype. .

See that's where I disagree. VSM did not go out and get Perfect Legend, Pig, 16 Bit, Tyrant and whoever else and got them to join their team. VSM were a bunch of guys who lived in more or less the same area, leveled up together, and dominated. Quantity wise, their numbers weren't nearly as big too, which makes the dominance more impressive.

Not to take anything away from YOMI, but when you get 20 or so absolutely elite players, you are going to dominate.

As far as the part where they've yet to win a major, it's for the same reason everyone else not named Dizzy hasn't won a major in forever: Sonic Fox.

 

[Braindead]

Coolwhip prepare to get infracted by Blake.

 

[Zoidberg747]

See that's where I disagree. VSM did not go out and get Perfect Legend, Pig, 16 Bit, Tyrant and whoever else and got them to join their team. VSM were a bunch of guys who lived in more or less the same area, leveled up together, and dominated. Quantity wise, their numbers weren't nearly as big too, which makes the dominance more impressive.

Not to take anything away from YOMI, but when you get 20 or so absolutely elite players, you are going to dominate.

As far as the part where they've yet to win a major, it's for the same reason everyone else not named Dizzy hasn't won a major in forever: Sonic Fox.

Thats kind of my point though, and until they get him there will always be someone to challenge them.

And the difference you stated is valid but I think the high level gameplay they bring overrides the lesser coast and regional rivalries. Thats just my take though.

 

[dribirut]

DISCLAIMER:

- By all accounts, Reno is a stand-up guy.
- The YOMI guys are people I have respect for and like. They are incredibly skilled and many of them have been really helpful throughout the years when it comes to answering gameplay related questions, sharing tech, etc...
- I do not fault YOMI for trying to grow and recruit the best players.

However, my question is, does YOMI's exponential growth kill the hype? To be clear, I AM NOT asking them to stop doing what they're doing. I accept reality, but I do wonder whether, from a neutral's perspective, it kills the hype.

As far as rivalries between teams, regions, and even individuals go, it does feel quite restrictive when the brackets are filled with teammates that happen to be teammates simply because they were more or less "recruited." It does feel like an all-star team, which don't get me wrong, is cool, and has a lot of benefits even for neutrals (their weeklies are practically majors as far as level of talent goes), but at the same time, it feels a little "inauthentic" if that's the word.

Again, I have nothing against REO, MIT, DJT, King, and the rest of the YOMI crew so I ask all of these guys not take it personal. But it just feels like YOMI has sort of derived many regions of their identity.

IMO definitely yes it does

 

[JerzeyReign]

I'm very new to the comp side of MK but I will say YOMI, SonicFox, PerfectLegend and ArkhamBeauty are the only things I know about it. To me, a noob, YOMI being big doesn't mean anything but victories will be sweeter if/when they happen. Maybe my answer will change once I'm dug into the community but right now I'm learning so much watching YOMI I'm not gonna complain.

 

[Jynks]

Careful.. I asked pretty much the exact same question a while back and got my thread locked because somehow asking this very obvious and legit question and trying to talk about the future of the scene and how best to grow it was interpreted as some kind of troll thread http://testyourmight.com/threads/is-yomi-bad-for-the-scene.53184/

Still, I think that Yomi is a two edged sword. In a way, you could be asking dose Sonic Fox "kill the hype". I have seen many posts saying things like "Oh, Sonic Fox won again? I couldn't care less" etc etc and I see similar things about Yomi. We all want skilled players and it seams a little odd to dislike something because they are so skilled. Yet I can not help but feel that clear dominance of any kind is also kind of annoying.

Yomi is basically a korean style esports house. I'm not exactly sure that the scene is rich enough or large enough to support many of these kind of groups at once, though I feel that if the scene is going to grow, Yomi is exactly the direction that it will need to go. Yomi isn't really the only "group" as you probably know, there are many, but Yomi is the first I know of that has taken it to the level of some of how the teams work on the more "serious" esposts. Someone in my old thread said something like "the other scenes need to step up to the bar Yomi has set" and I think this is pretty much true.

Yet the other side of that sword is the question of it the scene can in fact support more groups like this at all. No one (well me at least) likes seeing a major event and 6 of the top 8 all yomi. It feels off balance. Though it should be noted that they are not infact winning everything, though I think that over time the "korean esports" house idea will make them unstopable, the quality of the in team practice will eventually not be able to be stood up against. Independents like Sonic, HoneyBee, Jupiter etc etc simple will not be able to get the hands on experience with so many other different match ups that eventually Yomi is likly to dominate.

The real question of if this is a bad thing or not, it a little more complex. As I think Yomi is good AND bad for the scene for different reasons and it is more to do with other scenes NOT following their example (yet). Yomi could be the future, but it could also crush the torny scene and just turn it into a "lets pay Yomi's rent" events and that is good for nobody especially the viewers.

So yeah, it is strange one more me. I think Yomi is great and the players are awesome. Some of the best personalities in the streeaming scene (that I know of) are in Yomi. So this is good, but I also feel that unless there is AT LEAST one.. preferably 2 or more groups like it, then it is also bad in many ways. I'm kinda conflicted.

For now, (and I watch most major streams and have for years) I see massive anti-yomi support form the chat, pretty much anyone not yomi is automatically the one people go for, but then again I see the same for Sonic, probably even more so infact. In Australia we have something called the "Tall Poppy Syndrome", meaning that people just like to cut the heads off the stalks that grow to high.. basically winners are annoying and underdogs rock. This more than anything could be the problem with Yomi.

 

[MUERTE]

*yawn* mkx already feels dead
thank you yomi for this

 

[Daemantalo]

I enjoy the YOMI powerhouse. They are fun to watch and they are a supergroup. Now, it's also going to be good when YOMI does have those instances where they are all top 8, but one guy who's an Independent ends up being first place and defeats all members on his way to the top. YOMI is setting a competitive bar that some players are actually striving for and I think that's really good.

 

[Carmine]

For now, (and I watch most major streams and have for years) I see massive anti-yomi support form the chat, pretty much anyone not yomi is automatically the one people go for, but then again I see the same for Sonic, probably even more so infact. In Australia we have something called the "Tall Poppy Syndrome", meaning that people just like to cut the heads off the stalks that grow to high.. basically winners are annoying and underdogs rock. This more than anything could be the problem with Yomi.

My question is what can we as a community do to try to get other groups like Yomi to form, GGA is still small and the only one close to as well known, we have west coast and versus as well but they dont have tags, how can other communities grow if the communities themselves dont want to make a Tag, and try to grow to the level of YOMI

 

[jharris]

i dont think it kills the hype at all, theye obviously leveling each other up but the competition is very very strong. and tbh it seems to me the terry bros are the only yomi guys who can take on sonic fox. (dont get me wrong i understand all the others a v high level). also looking forward to when the gga guys and alucard are the the next major, hopefully ceo. alcuard is hype as fuck , im always rooting for him

 

[ForeverKing]

I'll just say since Yomi is a facility in which top players can train together every day, you know for certain Yomi is going to breed monsters in whatever fighting game they are training for. So when Yomi travels out in a large pack to a tournament, you already know for certain that tournament is going to have a good number of matches with high level play. Any tournament that Yomi goes to (which is alot lol) at least you know for sure you are going to see good quality matches. And like everyone is saying, people are going to want to defeat Yomi, it generates hype when one of us loses.

Also I'll say all the Yomi guys have a bond, most of us are really close friends so it makes a big difference when we go out and play in tournaments as giant unit. It's different then just being on the same team as somebody just because you live near eachother, aka coast hype.

 

[Error]

Tbh it has been killing hype for me a little, someone said that every Yomi weekly is basically a major, but lately to me, every top 8 in majors has felt like a Yomi weekly + guests. Only realistic fix is for more non-Yomi players to step up to the mix, which is why I'm glad sonicfox/tyrant/honeybee aren't in Yomi.

 

[LEGEND]

The Negative :
Storylines, rivalries ect are are pretty much non existent. Even The whole Sonic Fox vs yomi thing feels super light hearted and happens way too frequently for any hype to build. Plus the MANY yomi vs yomi matches. . .not really more interesting than a weekly (that actually sums it up nicely imo, these majors feel like nothing more than a weekly as a spectator)

I can imagine the scenes that have lost top players to yomi Have had their growth stunted in some way

The comentary. . .
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The positive:
Meta growth. Which surely will have an effect on how well the game gets balanced out.

Constant showing of high level play makes the game look good to outsiders/casuals. At least from my experience in talking with/over hearing people talk about MKX

And it obviously helps out the players involved with Yomi in the short term at least