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Universal Standard for FGC Majors

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
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I've been thinking about this for some time.. And I'm wondering if it's time to put in into play. As of right now, we have a 'fend for yourself' kind of tournament ecosystem. Essentially everyone just does what they want. There's a Road to EVO which enforces a bit of standardization, but it has no bearing on non road-to-EVO events, so it essentially just divides a portion of the year's tourney action off to itself.

What this would be is a set of guidelines and practices:

-Basic tournament conditions
-Provisions (setups, etc)
-Standard monitor settings (for a couple of different monitor brands, rather than forcing everyone to use one type)
-Basic rulesets
-Standardize a way to catalog/store results, so that we can finally get some global community records
-Standardize player membership -- so you'd get an ID number for example, and you could use it to register wherever you go. Makes it much easier to keep track of players, and keep track of their results
-Some standardization for dealing with pools, late entrants etc.

Everything from USCF (the Chess federation) to the PGA tour has standards for their events.

So basically you'd have the standard (call it, FGCA, UFG, or something equivalent) and to be considered an official event under the standard, a tournament would have to meet the basic requirements.

Now, to make this really clear: the point of this is not to create an exclusive club or become a burden for TO's. For example, requiring 10 setups per game at a standardized major isn't going to fly. But what it will do is this:

1) Create at least a minimum baseline that at least an 'official' FGC major should absolutely not go below. Minimum conditions
2) Eliminate some ambiguity and confusion by helping to standardize some rules/practices for each game so that TO's don't have to ask over and over at each event
3) Help unify the tournament scene so that it's easier for fans and potential fans to keep track of events, players, and how they relate to each other (right now it's an absolute mess).

I think that the FGC has grown enough that it's time for everyone to stop 'shotgunning' it. There shouldn't be any more ambiguity about what's a major and what isn't, what's official, what matters, and what the minimum standards for accomodations are at a Major event. If we want to continue to grow, it'll be vital to our success as a sporting community.

Anyway, I want to get everyone's thoughts on this. I will probably continue to explore and elaborate on it over time; but I'm really curious to get everyone's input.

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RapZiLLa54

Monster Island Tournaments
I think most of the stuff ran in the tri-state area is rather universal. The constant battle of 2/3 or 3/5 will rage on because not everyone has access to X amount of setups so you can't force people to run what they don't think they can get done in a timely matter.

Swift and I are the only ones who run round robin and I'm not going to change that due to some "standardization".

As for setups it pretty much has to be Asus or you'll always get complaints that there is lag, even if there is none. It has that type of branding.

A global database ranking system? How would that even be feasible? You either need every hand in the pot or just 1. We all post our results thread after a tourney or weekly its not like the top players don't know whose who, you know?

Membership ID? Isn't that what our gamertags are?

I'm not trying to be a hater here but maybe you should come out to a tournament and get more experience on what goes on behind the scenes so you can get a better feel on what is and isn't possible.
 

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
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Swift and I are the only ones who run round robin and I'm not going to change that due to some "standardization".

As for setups it pretty much has to be Asus or you'll always get complaints that there is lag, even if there is none. It has that type of branding.

A global database ranking system? How would that even be feasible? You either need every hand in the pot or just 1. We all post our results thread after a tourney or weekly its not like the top players don't know whose who, you know?

Membership ID? Isn't that what our gamertags are?

I'm not trying to be a hater here but maybe you should come out to a tournament and get more experience on what goes on behind the scenes so you can get a better feel on what is and isn't possible.
Hey Rap, I just wanted to be clear that this post was specifically about majors. Not every tournament falls under that category; so it wouldn't apply to say, Blu Comics tournaments (unless you just felt like you wanted to).

As far as the IDs, when I registered for USCF I got an ID, and that way, whenever I registered for a tourney they knew who I was. Rankings are complex, but as you see I didn't mention them here, since it's not important. I'm just talking about basic record keeping, like the tourneys you attended and what you placed.

It makes registration extremely easy and well-coordinated between events; and it makes it easy to keep track of basic player info.
 
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DarthArma

Warrior
I'm basically saying they don't give a fuck. its all about their money. And people keep going to this event just to be pushed aside to a corner with no stream and no room for set ups. It doesnt matter if it cost 5 more dollars to do this, they're not going to do it unless we do something about it.

We all have to take a stand
 
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YOMI Reno_Racks

I have a dream...
I think you have the right idea but it doesn't look like you're gonna get the feedback you want out of this thread. Some changes have to be made behind the scenes and presented as complete ideas once you've put in the work. Then you just have to wait and see if it works or not. I'm working on something right now in relation to some of the things you brought up so if you want my thoughts just pm me.
 

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
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I'm basically saying they don't give a fuck. its all about their money. And people keep going to this event just to be pushed aside to a corner with no stream and no room for set ups. It doesnt matter if it cost 5 more dollars to do this, they're not going to do it unless we do something about it.

We all have to take a stand
Ahh I see.. Yeah, that's how I feel. If people don't stand up and start working toward a better standard, it'll never happen on it's own.

I think you have the right idea but it doesn't look like you're gonna get the feedback you want out of this thread. Some changes have to be made behind the scenes and presented as complete ideas once you've put in the work. Then you just have to wait and see if it works or not. I'm working on something right now in relation to some of the things you brought up so if you want my thoughts just pm me.
Hey Reno, sounds good -- I'll shoot you a PM.
 

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
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Theres a storm coming....
Hehe. I think ideally what you want is collaboration -- not a war. I think everyone in the FGC would love increased viewership/exposure, more legitimacy, and increased funds for their game. But legitimacy isn't something you can ask for; you have to demand it and create it, and in every other sport that's started with some kind of organization.

If people don't want to entrust their beloved community to an eSports operation (and eSports orgs. likely doesn't see the value in these games anyway yet) then that organization has to come from within rather than outside influence.

I have been talking to some notable FGC personalities about things like this privately.. I'm curious to see what happens if everyone comes to the table.
 

DarthArma

Warrior
Hehe. I think ideally what you want is collaboration -- not a war. I think everyone in the FGC would love increased viewership/exposure, more legitimacy, and increased funds for their game. But legitimacy isn't something you can ask for; you have to demand it and create it, and in every other sport that's started with some kind of organization.

If people don't want to entrust their beloved community to an eSports operation (and eSports orgs. likely doesn't see the value in these games anyway yet) then that organization has to come from within rather than outside influence.

I have been talking to some notable FGC personalities about things like this privately.. I'm curious to see what happens if everyone comes to the table.
Lol I don't think you have any idea about the entity you think we should cooperate with. Sometimes the only way to bring about change is to burn it to the ground and rebuild it all back up.
 

KH_Captain

Nightwolf wannabe
I'm basically saying they don't give a fuck. its all about their money. And people keep going to this event just to be pushed aside to a corner with no stream and no room for set ups. It doesnt matter if it cost 5 more dollars to do this, they're not going to do it unless we do something about it.

We all have to take a stand
Pushed into a corner, how sbout into a bathroom... will txshowdown ever live this down?
 

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
Administrator
Lol I don't think you have any idea about the entity you think we should cooperate with. Sometimes the only way to bring about change is to burn it to the ground and rebuild it all back up.
Oh trust me, I have plenty idea. I have had to deal with TOs and tournament players on a regular basis outside of the site. The thing is, the scene isn't going anywhere; it'll never "burn down" so to speak. So the only way to move forward is to start organizing from within.
 

DarthArma

Warrior
Oh trust me, I have plenty idea. I have had to deal with TOs and tournament players on a regular basis outside of the site. The thing is, the scene isn't going anywhere; it'll never "burn down" so to speak. So the only way to move forward is to start organizing from within.
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