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Trouble doing manuals into shadow specials. (input bug?)

Jackal904

Mortal
95% of the time when I try to do a manual into a shadow special I get just a regular special. With Sadira I want to do j.hk-> manual-> shadow ender as it gives good damage with 1 break opportunity but for some reason the shadow ender doesn't come out and I get a regular ender. I input it very cleanly but it still doesn't help. I am completely baffled as to why I'm having this issue unless it is some kind of bug. Has anyone else had this issue?

Note: I'm using a pad.
 

C-Sword

Warrior
I had the exact same problem with the XBox One and PS2 controllers

But after I switched to this one, I don't have that problem anymore, this pad here is godlike

 
95% of the time when I try to do a manual into a shadow special I get just a regular special. With Sadira I want to do j.hk-> manual-> shadow ender as it gives good damage with 1 break opportunity but for some reason the shadow ender doesn't come out and I get a regular ender. I input it very cleanly but it still doesn't help. I am completely baffled as to why I'm having this issue unless it is some kind of bug. Has anyone else had this issue?

Note: I'm using a pad.
I think I know what the issue is.

I'm guessing you're using a manual that requires a punch button press, and an ender that requires you to press two different kicks.
or:
You're using a manual that requires a kick button press, and an ender that requires you to press to different punches.

This game has negative edge, and this can hurt manuals because you have to cancel the manual quickly into the next linker. My guess, is the negative edge of your manual is interfering with your ender.

You might be pressing s.lp -> direction,direction,s.hk + s.mk

and the game is getting the following

s.lp -> direction,direction, s.lp + s.hk..... + s.mk
The negative edge persisting from the manual prevents it from looking for another press that would accompany the s.hk. So s.mk is lost.

You can have the same issue with direction inputs in the manual.

There are two ways to fix this
1) Change the manual you use from a punch to a kick if you can, and if that particular set of inputs solves the problem
2) It may help if you just assign 'all punches' and/or 'all kicks' to a button on your controller and use that instead.
 

Jackal904

Mortal
I think I know what the issue is.

I'm guessing you're using a manual that requires a punch button press, and an ender that requires you to press two different kicks.
or:
You're using a manual that requires a kick button press, and an ender that requires you to press to different punches.

This game has negative edge, and this can hurt manuals because you have to cancel the manual quickly into the next linker. My guess, is the negative edge of your manual is interfering with your ender.

You might be pressing s.lp -> direction,direction,s.hk + s.mk

and the game is getting the following

s.lp -> direction,direction, s.lp + s.hk..... + s.mk
The negative edge persisting from the manual prevents it from looking for another press that would accompany the s.hk. So s.mk is lost.

You can have the same issue with direction inputs in the manual.

There are two ways to fix this
1) Change the manual you use from a punch to a kick if you can, and if that particular set of inputs solves the problem
2) It may help if you just assign 'all punches' and/or 'all kicks' to a button on your controller and use that instead.
So none of this worked but you made me think more about negative edge and because of that I figured out a way to do it 100% of the time, so thanks! You're right, the negative edge is fucking it up big time. So I thought, "well what if I just don't release any of the buttons?" So I held the buttons down for j.hk-> manual-> shadow ender and it worked! So thanks for giving me the idea haha.

Edit: Also to make this work it seems the manual has to be the opposite attack type of the shadow special. i.e. punch manual-> kick shadow special

Edit 2: Still is an issue during normal combos. It's just not practical to try and hold all the necessary buttons while doing a combo to do a manual into a shadow special. DH pls -_-
 
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