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This is exactly the sort of in depth info I was looking for on this character.
Interesting stuff. I had only messed with him a bit but I could definitely see him struggling with anti-airs. Nothing seems like it would be reliable. I was hoping he would have something like Dudley's D+HP I could just throw out.
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Is there a single character in the game that this statement doesn't apply to?
I don't know of any move in existence I can punish as hard as his Shadow Uppercut.
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I don't think his instincts comeback mechanic is that crazy. Just have to touch him once more which I guess is pretty nice, but that means he's saving it during his second life bar in situations where he could have canceled to make something safe. Also as a spinal main it's even less effective since it just means that I have to save a bar of meter and finish him with shadow skull which means he just spent his second bar of health saving instinct for nothing.
Actually more perspective on how comparatively risky TJ's reversal is:
I'm actually just picking up the character, so I'm by no means an expert, but here's my take on the character and my strategy so far.
Thanks for putting so much time into that i really appreciate it. Theres a lot of things in there didn't think of or know so thanks for helping me out. Just a few things im not sure about. How do i do manuals? They are just like a faster auto thats harder to break right? Also does his roll make him invulnerable to being poked for a certain period of time? Anyway thanks for the info man, you dont know how much i appreciate you helping me out
The last several frames of linkers/openers can be canceled into a manual- though the cancel is such a small part of the end animation that it doesn't look like a cancel. To do a manual, near the end of an opener or linker animation- near the very end- just hit the manual and a regular attack should come out. If it hits it registers as a manual. This is best learned in the Dojo.
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Heading to work now so i'l try these when i get home. Oh and thanks mani checked out rebelos videos and the dude is nuts, gave me heaps to work off thank you so muchThe last several frames of linkers/openers can be canceled into a manual- though the cancel is such a small part of the end animation that it doesn't look like a cancel. To do a manual, near the end of an opener or linker animation- near the very end- just hit the manual and a regular attack should come out. If it hits it registers as a manual. This is best learned in the Dojo.
Here's an illustration of what manual-timing typically looks like.
http://fat.gfycat.com/MeanCavernousBarnacle.webm
That picture is from Infil's awesome guide to KI which you can find here:
http://ki.infil.net/index.html (read this guide, it's awesome!)
It also describes the manual restrictions (which do not apply to TJ
"An important thing to realize is that Killer Instinct places restrictions on manuals after linkers. If you execute a linker of a particular strength, you will only be able to follow it up with a manual of the same strength or lower. This means that light linkers only can be followed by LP or LK manuals, while heavy linkers can be followed by any manual. This is an interesting risk/reward balance which forces offense to go for an easier-to-break heavy linker to get access to the full suite of manual options."
TJ Combo does not follow these rules, making him the hardest character to break in the game. Abuse the hell out of this.
Basically, you get easy combos off your vortex punch linker, because this launches the opponent into the air. You basically don't have to cancel anything, just hit the opponent in the air with a light,medium or heavy. And this works off any strength of vortex linker, even light- which normally only allows for light manuals! Then, after that manual, cancel into a Tremor "linker", and once again, when this linker is used as a recapture, it doesn't play by the rules. You get quite easy manuals of any strength regardless of the strength of the Tremor recapture. So with TJ you can do good damage, while never allowing your opponent to break on anything other than a guess.
So your combos with TJ should have a good amount of "vortex punch -> manual -> Tremor -> vortex punch -> manual -> tremor -> repeat...." These loops are hard to break, in addition to TJ's already difficult-to-break autobarrage.
TJ's roll is invulnerable to everything but throws for the majority of its 18 frame duration. 10 frames of complete invulnerability, while the last 7 or 8 are vulnerable to pokes. This seems like alot but it really isn't. You can get poked out if the opponent mashes lights, but it is very easy to roll through long range heavy pokes, and punish them because of their long recovery. Even medium pokes you roll through you have a good chance of being at frame advantage against the opponent if not straight up able to punish them.
So for example, Jago does a typical frame trap: Double Roundhouse, cr.MK xx Laser Sword, s.MP xx Wind Kick
You can use roll between Laser Sword and s.MP, and do a cr.LP xx Backfist to either punish or start pressure on block.
By rule of thumb, anytime you do a roll at the same time your opponent does heavy poke from far range to "check you", you should be able to punish by rolling through and doing cr.LP xx Backfist into a combo because of the recovery.
Also, though roll has 8 frames of vulnerability in the end, you can actually cancel out of a portion of these by doing a roll into a Shadow Vortex punch. This makes it possible to roll through and interrupt things you wouldn't normally be able to given their low recovery. It's a very "YOLO" tactic, but it can be quite effective.
