The Riddle
1. The gap in Raven's 223 string (between the 2 and the 3) is blown up by Batman's and Killer Frost's parry when used as a reversal. The gap in Raven's b123 string (also between 2 and 3) however beats both reversal parries.
2. The fact that the reversal triggers indicates there is a gap between the 2 and 3 in both strings. Both parries have a 1 frame start-up.
3. So, in the gap in the string the parry starts up, and then on the next frame (at the earliest) 3 hits as the parry becomes active, but in one of the strings the parry wins, but on the other the combo wins.
4. For reference, you can parry the 3 in b123 if b1 and 2 both miss, so the 3 is not unparryable.
5. Both 3 attacks hit mid.
Possible Answers
1. The frame data for both parry moves is incorrect. Assuming a 2 frame start-up, 223 could have a 2 frame gap (meaning the parry would work), but b123 has a 1 frame gap which blows up the parry reversal.
2. There is a bug with with reversal attacks in training mode (I only tested it in this mode).
3. The first frame of 3 in b123 is unparryable for some reason (hitbox, magic, etc).
4. Something else, likely involving it being a long week at work for me and missing something obvious.
Any ideas? Because it seems that something doesn't add up here. Also, this also calls into question the oft-repeated claims that start-up frames include the activation frame.
1. The gap in Raven's 223 string (between the 2 and the 3) is blown up by Batman's and Killer Frost's parry when used as a reversal. The gap in Raven's b123 string (also between 2 and 3) however beats both reversal parries.
2. The fact that the reversal triggers indicates there is a gap between the 2 and 3 in both strings. Both parries have a 1 frame start-up.
3. So, in the gap in the string the parry starts up, and then on the next frame (at the earliest) 3 hits as the parry becomes active, but in one of the strings the parry wins, but on the other the combo wins.
4. For reference, you can parry the 3 in b123 if b1 and 2 both miss, so the 3 is not unparryable.
5. Both 3 attacks hit mid.
Possible Answers
1. The frame data for both parry moves is incorrect. Assuming a 2 frame start-up, 223 could have a 2 frame gap (meaning the parry would work), but b123 has a 1 frame gap which blows up the parry reversal.
2. There is a bug with with reversal attacks in training mode (I only tested it in this mode).
3. The first frame of 3 in b123 is unparryable for some reason (hitbox, magic, etc).
4. Something else, likely involving it being a long week at work for me and missing something obvious.
Any ideas? Because it seems that something doesn't add up here. Also, this also calls into question the oft-repeated claims that start-up frames include the activation frame.