problem with Extended Hook and crouch blockers

[Trini_Bwoi]

Like many Clean Cut players I make liberal use of jailing into Extended Hook. Well a Johnny Cage player just punished me for that which had me shooketh because I thought I labbed it and Johnny couldn't punish. But it looks like if you crouch during the string, Extended Hook has less pushback on block, probably 15% less pushback which makes thing that should be unpunishable, punishable.

NRS pls fix

 

[DeftMonk]

???

 

[Mikemetroid]

What the fuck ?!? lol

 

[The_Riddler]

There are a number of moves in the game that have different pushback on crouch block vs stand block. TBH I'm not sure they're gonna fix that

 

[Hellbringer]

You

Like many Clean Cut players I make liberal use of jailing into Extended Hook. Well a Johnny Cage player just punished me for that which had me shooketh because I thought I labbed it and Johnny couldn't punish. But it looks like if you crouch during the string, Extended Hook has less pushback on block, probably 15% less pushback which makes thing that should be unpunishable, punishable.

NRS pls fix

Extended hook on block is -12.

 

[Vslayer]

Me, before this thread: lowkey hopeful to start playing Kabal again

Me, after watching the video: dodged a bullet there.

But seriously that's hella dumb.

 

[Marlow]

I'm not sure what exactly NRS is supposed to fix here.

 

[DeftMonk]

Me, before this thread: lowkey hopeful to start playing Kabal again

Me, after watching the video: dodged a bullet there.

But seriously that's hella dumb.

NRS games have always had different pushback on block for standing/crouching. It may be more ideal to low block everything but it has its drawbacks. This isnt a bug.

 

[Vslayer]

NRS games have always had different pushback on block for standing/crouching. It may be more ideal to low block everything but it has its drawbacks. This isnt a bug.

Huh good to know, never realized that.

 

[Chernyy Volk]

This is a universal feature of the game. It's hot garbage since it renders tools obviously meant to be safe or give you shimmies pointless. You should get put in standing pushback states whether you're duck blocking or not.

 

[stokedAF]

Thanks

 

[thlityoursloat]

I don't see what's wrong here?
Firstly you're otherwise safe as shit so just hit confirm. Secondly the frame data says it's highly negative so miss me with that half screen pushback shit.

 

[Trini_Bwoi]

You

Extended hook on block is -12.

I'm not sure what exactly NRS is supposed to fix here.

Block disadvantage isn't the only thing that matters when moves have pushback on bock. This move is 100% safe against most characters (as is intended) if they're stand blocking, but since they're less pushback on crouch blockers it becomes punishable, as you can see in the video. What they need to fix is make the crouching block pushback = standing block pushback.

NRS games have always had different pushback on block for standing/crouching. It may be more ideal to low block everything but it has its drawbacks. This isnt a bug.

I wouldn't call it a bug either, much like most of the hitbox issues. It's just general jankiness that should not be exist.

This is a universal feature of the game. It's hot garbage since it renders tools obviously meant to be safe or give you shimmies pointless. You should get put in standing pushback states whether you're duck blocking or not.

I actually agree, either blocking highs and mids should put you in standing pushback states, or you shouldn't be able to swap your animination mid-string (unless there's a gap). A whole bunch of things because of the small differences between stand and crouch pushback is currently be discovered, after the hitbox issues this is the next jankiest thing.

 

[RM Ree]

How could you possibly know if this situation is or isn’t intended... The fact that your opponent knew crouch block would blow it up means he’s a smart player who labbed the MU. Now that you know it’s unsafe, don’t cancel into it on block. This isn’t broken, it doesn’t need a fix, you need to adapt. And only slightly at that. Miss me with that “I don’t want to end my already safe string, I want a safe jailing cancel.”

If you start whiffing mids/ overheads through a crouching opponent or have a string where 1st hit connects but 2nd whiffs and you get punished on hit, make a thread about that.

 

[scarsunseen]

Test this against female characters and you will never end with DB3 on block ever again.