Tech - Displacer LAWD RAIDEN corner reversal tech.

[just_2swift]

Found this over the weekend long story short I think this is viable what does the raiden council think.

Inb4 "reptile ex slide bro hold that"

Also can be done meterless.

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If I forgot anyone tough titty. This is also my first thread ever so if it's sloppy I apologize. Discuss.

 

[ID_Moi_LSac]

Cool tech, but it seems really gimmicky though... If your opponent knows the tech, he would simply not use wakeup attack when you teleport and he could actually wake up with a string and punish your teleport on your way back.

It still could catch people offguard from time to time. Good job!

 

[just_2swift]

Cool tech, but it seems really gimmicky though... If your opponent knows the tech, he would simply not use wakeup attack when you teleport and he could actually wake up with a string and punish your teleport on your way back.

It still could catch people offguard from time to time. Good job!

Also 112 can be tech rolled as well.

 

[just_2swift]

Also while playing displacer he still seems like he is lacking hard feels incomplete just my opinion. Hope isn't forgotten in the next update.

 

[Scott The Scot]

Cool tech, but it seems really gimmicky though... If your opponent knows the tech, he would simply not use wakeup attack when you teleport and he could actually wake up with a string and punish your teleport on your way back.

It still could catch people offguard from time to time. Good job!

You could use this once or twice so that they're aware it works then when you think they're going to try and blow you up for double teleporting, you teleport once then just grab or do a 50/50. Creating a mind game of "will he reverse my wakeup or just continue with his offence"

 

[SonicNinja3532]

Found this over the weekend long story short I think this is viable what does the raiden council think.

Inb4 "reptile ex slide bro hold that"

Also can be done meterless.

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If I forgot anyone tough titty. This is also my first thread ever so if it's sloppy I apologize. Discuss.

Very nice stuff, I knew raiden had reversal tech. The only things this won't work against are kung lao and other raidens I believe.

 

[just_2swift]

Very nice stuff, I knew raiden had reversal tech. The only things this won't work against are kung lao and other raidens I believe.

Thanks man. Haven't tried buzz saw ex spin yet but tempest will catch me with ex spin unless I use far tele for the second one instead then dash in and punish

 

[MsMiharo]

Won't WU grab stuff this?

 

[just_2swift]

Won't WU grab stuff this?

No it also reverse wu grab as well.

 

[MsMiharo]

No it also reverse wu grab as well.

oh cool

 

[SonicNinja3532]

Thanks man. Haven't tried buzz saw ex spin yet but tempest will catch me with ex spin unless I use far tele for the second one instead then dash in and punish

Buzz saw/Hat Trick will be reversed because they aren't 'expanding' specials like Cyclone or Ex Vicinity Blast. They'll just spin into the corner.

 

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[RM Ree]

Is the AI just reversing directional inputs because it's AI and its execution is perfect? Vs human opponents, won't this cause an unwanted normal/ MB special to come out? I feel like I personally would go for a wake up back dash and get a run, catching those electric hands.

 

[DreadKnight1]

Looks a little suspicious to teleport yourself into the corner,I like it though. Not exactly revolutionary or a breakthrough but it'll catch people out. Good job, there is a problem of them punishing your 2nd teleport if they wake up with a string and also somewakeups have backside hit boxes so it's matchup specific.

 

[just_2swift]

Is the AI just reversing directional inputs because it's AI and its execution is perfect? Vs human opponents, won't this cause an unwanted normal/ MB special to come out? I feel like I personally would go for a wake up back dash and get a run, catching those electric hands.

The MB special will come out when you input one. You can back dash though but can't raiden punish it? I haven't tested it yet.

 

[Gustavness]

The better way to do this (IMO) is with something i posted in a different thread, F12b2 F12B2 214xxEXdf2 F12B2xxdu into another du (or whatever starter)

Opponent cannot tech roll, you do not have to attempt to time the 2nd teleport either. more damage as well, although i would not do this meterless

 

[just_2swift]

Looks a little suspicious to teleport yourself into the corner,I like it though. Not exactly revolutionary or a breakthrough but it'll catch people out. Good job, there is a problem of them punishing your 2nd teleport if they wake up with a string and also somewakeups have backside hit boxes so it's matchup specific.

Thanks man. Nothing game breaking at all considering 112 can be tech rolled. Looking forward to truly mastering this variation.

 

[just_2swift]

The better way to do this (IMO) is with something i posted in a different thread, F12b2 F12B2 214xxEXdf2 F12B2xxdu into another du (or whatever starter)

Opponent cannot tech roll, you do not have to attempt to time the 2nd teleport either. more damage as well, although i would not do this meterless

Does it reverse wake ups.

 

[Gustavness]

Does it reverse wake ups.

Indeed it does. There are 2 other ways to do the wakeup reversal but not as consistent or useful as the one i posted. removing the tech roll is what really makes it good since it also works midscreen.

this is only good periodically and as a sort of surprise factor , moreso of a midscreen thing if you want my opinion. In the corner, human opponents cant visually distinguish where raiden is to do the wakeup input correctly and like people said, they get normals instead. midscreen they can see you move to the opposite side, make the decision to wakeup, and thats where the surprise factor comes in.

 

[just_2swift]

Indeed it does. There are 2 other ways to do the wakeup reversal but not as consistent or useful as the one i posted. removing the tech roll is what really makes it good since it also works midscreen.

this is only good periodically and as a sort of surprise factor , moreso of a midscreen thing if you want my opinion. In the corner, human opponents cant visually distinguish where raiden is to do the wakeup input correctly and like people said, they get normals instead. midscreen they can see you move to the opposite side, make the decision to wakeup, and thats where the surprise factor comes in.

There is no wake up correctly. It will reverse them but like the others said they can wake up with normals. The kicker here is when raiden teleports or teleports in front he doesn't have to teleport twice to fuck your wake ups

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[Shawnzzy]

How does it fuck up their wake up when you tele in front? My understanding of the front tele video is that you are plus enough to stuff the wake up with back 3, but I feel like I'm missing something.... Okay I looked at the frame data and thought I'd post it for everyone.

112 is +31 on hit, front tele is 2 start up and 18 recovery, so still +10 after tele, b3 3 is 8 on start up... that's super dirty.

If they are out of meter can some of the slower options be used to create a frame trap?

I feel like the same set up could be applied to MoS to use shock traps, but I'm not super familiar. I just mb traps on knockdown for the reset.

 

[just_2swift]

If they read that I'm going for double Tele they can punish my second Tele with standing normals. Me teleporting in front means nothing really they will still have to eat b33 if I go behind them. It's kinda hard to explain the Yomi layers for this because there is a lot of variables lol. But basically if I double teleport or not they are fucked if they choose to wake up in both scenarios. Get your shit reverse or broken. Tell daddy Ray how you want it.

 

[just_2swift]

How does it fuck up their wake up when you tele in front? My understanding of the front tele video is that you are plus enough to stuff the wake up with back 3, but I feel like I'm missing something.... Okay I looked at the frame data and thought I'd post it for everyone.

112 is +31 on hit, front tele is 2 start up and 18 recovery, so still +10 after tele, b3 3 is 8 on start up... that's super dirty.

If they are out of meter can some of the slower options be used to create a frame trap?

I feel like the same set up could be applied to MoS to use shock traps, but I'm not super familiar. I just mb traps on knockdown for the reset.

I haven't touched MoS yet but it immediately crossed my mind when I found this stuff.