Tech - Kotal Kahn Kotal Khan 7F safejump setup

[Qwark28]

Can do an air normal vs chars with slow reversals.

The empty jump leaves you at about +15 give or take if they don't wakeup.

@Hidan
@UltraDavid
@RYX
@KeyserSoze
@Mr Aqua
@BigMilk
@D. R.

 

[Eldriken]

Wow. Very nice.

 

[Qwark28]

Wow. Very nice.

 

[KeyserSoze]

good stuff, sir.

 

[D4G]

Can do an air normal vs chars with slow reversals.

The empty jump leaves you at about +15 give or take if they don't wakeup.

So does the only work after that specific combo or any juggle state into B3,2?

 

[BigMilk]

Stolen!

 

[Qwark28]

Different juggle gravities give differing knockdown advantage.

You can do it off of almost any juggle that allows the string to connect.

 

[Ben Reed]

Awesome find, thanks Qwark. Are any of Kotal's other knockdowns comparably advantageous, or does b32 stand alone in that department?

EDIT: Oh okay, you can do one from EX Sunstone in Sun God as well. I haven't really tried Blood or Sun God but I should probably mess with them a bit.

 

[MadeFromMetal]

Forgive me, but I'm not entirely sure what I'm looking at...If someone could explain, I'd appreciate it.

 

[Gesture Required Ahead]

So what can Kotal do if the opponent doesn't wake-up?

 

[SEV]

Forgive me, but I'm not entirely sure what I'm looking at...If someone could explain, I'd appreciate it.

It's a safe jump set up. It's to try and bait a wake up that you can punish. You recover from the empty jump in time to block if they wake up, and if they don't wake up you are plus enough to impose a mix up: overhead, low, tick grab set up, etc.

 

[REYTHEGREAT]

So what can Kotal do if the opponent doesn't wake-up?

Punish like a mofo!

 

[Gesture Required Ahead]

Punish like a mofo!

Punish what? I don't think you read my post correctly

 

[MadeFromMetal]

It's a safe jump set up. It's to try and bait a wake up that you can punish. You recover from the empty jump in time to block if they wake up, and if they don't wake up you are plus enough to impose a mix up: overhead, low, tick grab set up, etc.

Oh! that's what I wasn't understanding was that it was a bait setup. Thanks.

 

[Qwark28]

Awesome find, thanks Qwark. Are any of Kotal's other knockdowns comparably advantageous, or does b32 stand alone in that department?

 

[Qwark28]

So what can Kotal do if the opponent doesn't wake-up?

It's a safe jump set up. It's to try and bait a wake up that you can punish. You recover from the empty jump in time to block if they wake up, and if they don't wake up you are plus enough to impose a mix up: overhead, low, tick grab set up, etc.

 

[REYTHEGREAT]

Punish what? I don't think you read my post correctly

You are at plus frames (+15 or so) to apply mixups.

 

[Neg-B]

You sir Qwark deserve a fucking nobel prize or something for finding some tech like that.

I was doing this string to end combos since 1 month because of lag issues ,never knew it was a key to success.

 

[Gesture Required Ahead]

You are at plus frames (+15 or so) to apply mixups.

Which are? Sorry not a Kotal player so I don't know much of his offense

 

[Qwark28]

Which are? Sorry not a Kotal player so I don't know much of his offense

Throw, Command Throw, tick throw, overhead, low, 114 air throw etc.

 

[Neg-B]

So my little two cents here for this great tech.

Don t do it on characters with command throws


Just tested a bunch of wake ups . You re safe on all the other stuff but command throws punish you.

 

[UltraDavid]

nice, thanks. you can get the same situation after ending any combo in wargod df2, but it also works against 6f reversals!

 

[Qwark28]

So my little two cents here for this great tech.

Don t do it on characters with command throws


Just tested a bunch of wake ups . You re safe on all the other stuff but command throws punish you.

There is literally no way for a command grab in the current game to punish you unless it's Jason's which I don't have.

Wakeups are reversed, if you do the setup wrong and they are not then they happen when you're airborne.

 

[LaidbackOne]

This is golden. Baiting a spin like that is just too good.

 

[GrandMasterson]

Oh sweet, a reason to use B32 in a combo.