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Jaxel - Big Tournaments: Where is our money going?

Sao87

Sao87

@thedigitaldojo
There is a very interesting article floating around on Neogaf. In this article Jaxel illustrates what it is like being snuffed out as one of the insiders within the FGC. I'm curious what everyone here thinks.

Before anyone faults big TO's for wanting to make money or potentially profiting from the events. I don't think that is what needs to be focused on. Shit if I had the opportunity to make money running events I would do it in a heart beat. I've put in a ton of effort streaming/throwing events and have never seen a dime, that being said its no where near the amount of work you see from people like Jaxel or Jebaily put in.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=600861
 
Zoidberg747

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
I usually am not a Jaxel fan but I am with him on this one.

Streamers get way too much flakk when they rely on the TOs themselves.
 
Sao87

Sao87

@thedigitaldojo
What concerns me the most is that these organizers are so power hungry and have so much influence that they can literally ruin your reputation with big companies like Capcom, Namco, other "Major" events, you name it. Make all the money you want, but don't go out of your way to make sure that other people are not allowed to be successful.

3-4 "majors" a year in some cramped meeting rooms and were supposed to believe Big-E does it for the love of the community at a financial loss?
 
Pig Of The Hut

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
Sao87 said:
There is a very interesting article floating around on Neogaf. In this article Jaxel illustrates what it is like being snuffed out as one of the insiders within the FGC. I'm curious what everyone here thinks.

Before anyone faults big TO's for wanting to make money or potentially profiting from the events. I don't think that is what needs to be focused on. Shit if I had the opportunity to make money running events I would do it in a heart beat. I've put in a ton of effort streaming/throwing events and have never seen a dime, that being said its no where near the amount of work you see from people like Jaxel or Jebaily put in.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=600861
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Honest question

Whose jaxyl
 
Sao87

Sao87

@thedigitaldojo
Nori Batousai said:
He's from the soul calibur community, has been running tournaments for years. You either like him or want to push him in front of oncoming traffic when you meet him, no in between
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Yea pretty much. When I met him I got the same feeling I get when I meet crazy programmers. They're so logically driven that they end up being very honest, blunt and come off as cocky.
 
Pig Of The Hut

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
Sao87 said:
Guy who created 8wayrun. Designed the plug and play foundation that all the major FGC websites use via xenforo. The biggest SCV streamer. You've seen him at every MLG and didn't even realize it most likely. He even streamed at Final Round the year I was there.
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Cool thanks

I'm positive he's just someone I know but we've never exchanged names
 
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AK-Israel

I'm Back
Surprise no one is discussing this more.I read the article and have to say this is an eye opener to someone who only know the outer circle of the FGC,not the inner parts.
 
Onilordasmodeus

Onilordasmodeus

My GT: UncappedWheel82
AK-Israel said:
Surprise no one is discussing this more.I read the article and have to say this is an eye opener to someone who only know the outer circle of the FGC,not the inner parts.
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I hear you. I feel like the FGC is more of a club then anything else, and they (we) want to protect our own so we listen to the "grass roots" talk, and want to stick with our own, not realizing that it is our own who is trying to get one over on us.

I can't say anything specifically about TOs or any one in the FGC specifically (CEO was awesome, and the people I played and met were cool), but to believe that anyone anywhere (FGC or not) who is making money, doesn't want more control in order to make more money, is being naive.
 
SUPARNOVAX

SUPARNOVAX

Low tier? I was born in it, molded by it
Umm everything out of Jaxel's mouth has no merit.

The same guy asying TFGM isn't shady at all. LOL
 
Troispoint

Troispoint

Noob
I just find it weird that only now he's finding this situation unacceptable when clearly he's been getting fucked over for years. The reason why these organizers have been able to get away with this shit is precisely because guys like him have been letting it slide. That's selling yourself short if you think it's ok to work hard for profitable events for litterally no money.
 
Zoidberg747

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
There also is really not much we can do except boycott big Es tournaments. The problem with that is we are screwing over a lot more people than just him since it takes so many people to run a smooth tournament. Sometimes people with a lot of power tend to abuse it, that is the way the world works :/
 
Troispoint

Troispoint

Noob
Zoidberg747 said:
There also is really not much we can do except boycott big Es tournaments. The problem with that is we are screwing over a lot more people than just him since it takes so many people to run a smooth tournament. Sometimes people with a lot of power tend to abuse it, that is the way the world works :/
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It just means hand it over to MLG already because clearly this grass root community argument has zero basis.
 
Zoidberg747

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
Troispoint said:
It just means hand it over to MLG already because clearly this grass root community argument has zero basis.
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Except MLG is a temporary solution. As soon as a new E-sports game comes out FG lose their backing because they do not make nearly as much money or receive as much stream views and entrants.
 
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AK-Israel

I'm Back
I wish TOs and streamer would get in on this topic,but i'm thinking they are scare of what might happen to their rep if they speak up on this topic (Mainly the ones that are being talk about).
 
Troispoint

Troispoint

Noob
Zoidberg747 said:
Except MLG is a temporary solution. As soon as a new E-sports game comes out FG lose their backing because they do not make nearly as much money or receive as much stream views and entrants.
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I could see Capcom fighters doing great long-term in MLG. But yes, the rest could be left behind.
 
Zoidberg747

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
Troispoint said:
I could see Capcom fighters doing great long-term in MLG. But yes, the rest could be left behind.
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Capcom games get what, maybe 1500 entrants at EVO? MLG gets like twice that for COD 4 times a year. And COD is the lowest of all the games they have right now.
 
Zoidberg747

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
Troispoint said:
You lost me here.
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I am talking about FGs. My point was that MLG gets more entrants from OTHER GAMES(not fighting games). But for fighting games, EVO always has had more success as it is a tournament just for FGs.

Adding FGs to MLG is awesome, but it is never a permanent affair. There are always more popular games than fighting games out there(COD, Halo, LoL, etc.) and they will always push FGs to the side. My point is that you should never stop supporting FGC tournaments, as they will always be there while MLG will not.
 
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AK-Israel

I'm Back
I think we are missing the point here guys.I reread jaxel post and seem to me its mostly about him not being respected by BigE and not being payed by him either,because of that he goes off topic and gets on this rant about other TOs not doing there job as Tournament organizers ,disrespecting him as well and MLG paying players a whole lot of money while EVO doesn't......oh and if it wasn't for him streamers wouldn't be where they are now......so to speak
 
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