Discussion Hard hitting punishment fastest startup normals

[Eddy Wang]

So, as of this patch which characters do you think have the fastest startup normals or specials?

Characters i know for sure:
Raiden (f1) 6f
Scorpion (s3) 7f
Kung Lao (B1) 7f
Liu Kang (B1) 6f?


Who else?

 

[Pan1cMode]

You're missing cassie, Jacqui, tremor and Jax.

6 frames:

Liu Kang (f1)
Raiden (f1)
Jacqui (s1)
Jax (s1)
Cassie (s2)
Tremor (f1)
Kung Lao (7 frame reversal)

EDIT:
7 frames:

Leather face (f1)
Scorpion (s3)
Dvorah (s1)
Kung Jin (s2)
Mileena (8 frame reversal)
Sonya (s1)
Shinnok (f4)
Sub Zero (s1)
Triborg (s1)

 

[Raiderhorn]

Tremor f1 (6f)

 

[Ardet]

Sub s1 (7f)
Triborg s1 (7f)

 

[Eddy Wang]

You're missing cassie, Jacqui, tremor and Jax.

6 frames:

Liu Kang (f1)
Raiden (f1)
Jacqui (s1)
Jax (s1)
Cassie (s2)
Tremor (f1)
Kung Lao (7 frame reversal)

EDIT:
7 frames:

Leather face (f1)
Scorpion (s3)
Dvorah (s1)
Kung Jin (s2)
Mileena (8 frame reversal)
Sonya (s1)
Sub Zero (s1)
Triborg (s1)

Kung Lao now has a 7f normal, with decent range.

 

[Wolverine32]

So, as of this patch which characters do you think have the fastest startup normals or specials?

Characters i know for sure:
Raiden (f1) 6f
Scorpion (s3) 7f
Kung Lao (B1) 7f
Liu Kang (B1) 6f?


Who else?

Idk if you'd count quan's njp, but that's 5f, idk anything faster though since Cassie's flip kick got an extra start up frame

 

[Wolverine32]

Shinnok'S 7f f4 is a good one as well.

 

[Lokheit]

It would also be interesting to note which ones have reach. For example SZ has a 7 frames starter but it whiffs if the opponent's attack had a minimal pushback while Tremor's 6f move has very good advancing reach.

 

[CrazyFingers]

If we're talking about hard hitting punishes, Killer gets 44% off of his 7f punish for a bar.

 

[Eddy Wang]

Idk if you'd count quan's njp, but that's 5f, idk anything faster though since Cassie's flip kick got an extra start up frame

I mean ground punishment, you block a -8 move and they're done, fucking done.

 

[Eddy Wang]

Shinnok'S 7f f4 is a good one as well.

that one definitely should be listed, it kills even mids.

 

[YoloRoll1stHit]

Idk if you'd count quan's njp, but that's 5f, idk anything faster though since Cassie's flip kick got an extra start up frame

it takes a lot of frames to jump, air attack frame data doesn't count those jump startup frames

 

[FrankOceansWaifu]

Triborg's a really good punisher:
S1 7f
F1 8f
F4 10f(mid)
F2 10f(mid)(better for Smoke & Sektor)

 

[TheGangstaFace]

If we're talking about hard hitting punishes, Killer gets 44% off of his 7f punish for a bar.

Tempest gets a 34-36 meterless punish off his 7f B1. Come at me bro

 

[CrazyFingers]

Tempest gets a 34-36 meterless punish off his 7f B1. Come at me bro

Butcher gets 37% meterless off of his 7f F1. Come. At. Me. Bruh.

 

[Wigy]

Think you kind of have to weigh down some punishers a bit considering their horrible ranges

 

[CrazyFingers]

Think you kind of have to weigh down some punishers a bit considering their horrible ranges

true. However my punish still stands cuz dat F1 range tho.

 

[Wigy]

true. However my punish still stands cuz dat F1 range tho.

Cassies 2
Jaqui's 1
Liu kangs f1

Etc

Plus they get low profiled out of a punish by a low of shit.

Scorpions slide can be a bad offender for low profiling your punish even though its minus a gagillion

 

[CrazyFingers]

Cassies 2
Jaqui's 1
Liu kangs f1

Etc

Liu Kang's F1 upsets me sometimes...so nubby...good thing he has plenty to compensate for that.

 

[TheGangstaFace]

Butcher gets 37% meterless off of his 7f F1. Come. At. Me. Bruh.

I'm gonna find a way to get more than 37 with Lao you sum bitch

 

[YoloRoll1stHit]

Butcher gets 37% meterless off of his 7f F1. Come. At. Me. Bruh.

Cassie gets 45% meterless corner off her 6f s2. cum at me....ew....