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Erron Black Living Match-Up Thread

REO

REO

Undead
Since there's no thread on this topic, I'm making one.

Here is a "Living" Erron Black Match-Up Chart I'm working on with the opinions of some other Erron Black mains. It will be updated and adjusted throughout the game's life:


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PWYlf0TjTqkHlKHySKB4F4-nvC1b-g3mahKPsEYx2SM/edit#gid=0


Keep in mind this is mainly my opinion, with some input from others. SonicFox (who is the current best Erron Black player) claims Erron Black is quite possibly the best character in the game and doesn't lose to any character.
 
TakeAChance

TakeAChance

TYM White Knight
With respect, I'm curious to see how Jade controls the pace of that match. I'm not sure if she loses, but errons F4 is a real pain in the ass that she has to respect. It goes under her air rangs (and allows her to be punished as she lands), and if Erron gets a knock down, there isn't much Jade can do.

That being said, she does force him to come to her, which is something not a lot of other characters can do, but Jade has a hard time dealing with Errons B222 as well...since it's a mid just outside of her wakeup range with a mixup built in leading back into the same scenario. Jade's only tool in the footsie battle is B3 which admittedly, is good, but if you start flawless blocking the B343, she only has B3 and B343 staggers. Both of which put the risk in your favour.

I can't even declare a matchup number at this point. I don't think it's awful for Jade, but I'm not confident in saying that she wins it. I'm also definitely not confident in saying that she loses it. Anytime erron blocks a projectile, Jade has to hold that F4 or Slide. LIke, he is coming lol
 
LawAbidingCitizen

LawAbidingCitizen

Bomb Setups & Ball Rolls(Mileena/Cyrax)
So according to REO these are Error Blacks Bad Matchups:

Sonya (Ring Master)
Noob Saibot (seeing double)
Noob Saibot (Dark Sabbath)
Scorpion (SR)
Jade (ED)
Cetrion (SC)
Gerald (IW)

Even Matchups:

Johnny (Shock Jock)
Jax (Hunker Down)
Sonya (No holds Barred)
Cassie Cage (Digital Soldier)
Baraka (Both)
Jacqui (1st Round KO)
Sub Zero (Both)
Kano (Ripper)
Liu Kang ( Lohan Quan)
Jade (Jaded)
Geras (New Era)
Kollector (Back in the Pack)
Kitana (Fan-Fare)


Errors Winning Matchups:

Shao Kahn (Both)
Kotal Kahn (Both)
D'Vorah (Both)
Frost (Both)
Kano (Dirt bag)
Cassie (Yaas Queen)
Johnny Cage (Show Stopper)
Jacqui (Next Gen)
 
Geoffmeister

Geoffmeister

PS4/EU Ermac main
@TakeAChance

Played this MU a lot more, pretty sure it's 6-4 in Jades favor.

Erron loses a lot of tools here, while thats true for Cetrion and Cassie (or Sub, Liu etc) as well, they have a better time dealing with it and don't let Jade get the space to use Glow.

It makes sense in that Jade can force Erron to come to her, where the ranged normals are actually beatable by Jade (for once) or go into unfavorable risk/reward situations (f32, f4, slide), his fwddashblock is awful and projectiles are telegraphed enough for Jade to react to. Also I'm not sure how Erron deals with her Airgame, I don't think he does at all.

This is one where Glow shines, where mostly you're just gonna get knocked down for it. And IAirRang to control range3-4 and not get blown up by anything. In fact, he can't unless Jade commits to very unsafe stuff (like shadow kick, F2, b12, low spark.. they don't win the game here anyway), her Parry works here too (his JiP and Lows suck as well!)

If it wasn't for the difference in damage or mixup potential, I don't think it'd be debatable.
 
Espio

Espio

Kokomo
Several things:

Erron's skud shot still stops/checks Jade's projectiles so while she can definitely counter zone him I don't see what is the big loss. Acid still works with glow active and the damage/mix up potential is still there for Erron. In order to activate glow you have to give up ground too and he can check you for that as well. I don't see why Erron would just be shooting instead of playing footsies.

Forward 4 is definitely potent and good and if she's looking for those to check with normals, she's not zoning him. You can't do two things at once. The match up from both sides always felt 5-5 to me personally.
 
M

magandi

Apprentice
Espio said:
I don't see why Erron would just be shooting instead of playing footsies.
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maybe her footsie game is better? idk i wish jade was better against other characters, so i could snipe some high level jade-erron matches. she is killing me.
 
Espio

Espio

Kokomo
magandi said:
maybe her footsie game is better? idk i wish jade was better against other characters, so i could snipe some high level jade-erron matches. she is killing me.
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Your quote makes no sense in the context of what I said. If he can't zone, why would he NOT be playing footsies? Jade outranges a lot of the cast, but that doesn't mean you can't play footsies versus her. Make her whiff and if she never commits to staff strings then you walk into an optimal range you want to be into.

Back 2 is -13.
Back 2 staff spin -13.
Back 2, shadow kick -20 or -18 when amplified.
Back 1, 2 -19.
Forward 2,1 -13 with a flawless block gap.

Even her safer stuff with staff starts as a high and leaves her next to you if she uses it.

People insisting they can't get in and can't play footsies with her is wild. She's not -5 with pushback on these staff normals to where she can just throw out staff attacks and you have to hold it and there's no counter play.

I did fine with Erron when I played Jades and he was never my main, I don't see what the problem is.


I'm apparently not the only one. What I claimed Erron can do, he does in the set like abusing acid and bullying her up close and shooting her projectiles. Why does he care about glow when he has the means to chip her down with it active AND he has a stance that CANCELS her projectiles.
 
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Evil Canadian

Evil Canadian

G O K U
Elder God
I don't understand what half these things even mean, they seem a bit dishonest if anything.

Like Kollector is an "even" match, because f2 actually works against Errons D4? The move thats 7 frames faster than Kollectors f2? It certainly doesn't "low crush" it, it just works as intended and erron can't jank out of it.

Erron Devastates Kollector in that matchup FYI.
 
Rex24

Rex24

There are no bad seeds, only bad men
"Someone" is notorious for downplaying his character, I am not surprised, look what he did to mk9 kabal, downplaying so much that the character had gone to mk9 history as the most OP character lol. He is trying his best to downplay Erron in this game.
 
EMPRESS_SunFire

EMPRESS_SunFire

Regina George of discord
I think he has a slight edge over Kitana.

You said she can d3 in between f32 but Erron can also d1 her out of b231 very consistently.


Other than that she has to play his game (just like most characters) and flawless blocking f4 makes her u2 whiff a lot, her u2 even whiffs sometimes after flawless blocking f32.
 
RM AtK!

RM AtK!

aka - RM_AtK !
Rex24 said:
"Someone" is notorious for downplaying his character, I am not surprised, look what he did to mk9 kabal, downplaying so much that the character had gone to mk9 history as the most OP character lol. He is trying his best to downplay Erron in this game.
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the fuck lmaoo your comment is so conflicting..

REO UP<-- Played the shit outa mk9 kabal if anything. That's why ppl have this image of this god character that you have no chance against. Kabal was nothing compared to Alien
 
OutworldKeith

OutworldKeith

Champion
Espio said:
Several things:

Erron's skud shot still stops/checks Jade's projectiles so while she can definitely counter zone him I don't see what is the big loss. Acid still works with glow active and the damage/mix up potential is still there for Erron. In order to activate glow you have to give up ground too and he can check you for that as well. I don't see why Erron would just be shooting instead of playing footsies.

Forward 4 is definitely potent and good and if she's looking for those to check with normals, she's not zoning him. You can't do two things at once. The match up from both sides always felt 5-5 to me personally.
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Agreed. His anti-zoning tools are some of the best in game.
 
OutworldKeith

OutworldKeith

Champion
Espio said:
Your quote makes no sense in the context of what I said. If he can't zone, why would he NOT be playing footsies? Jade outranges a lot of the cast, but that doesn't mean you can't play footsies versus her. Make her whiff and if she never commits to staff strings then you walk into an optimal range you want to be into.

Back 2 is -13.
Back 2 staff spin -13.
Back 2, shadow kick -20 or -18 when amplified.
Back 1, 2 -19.
Forward 2,1 -13 with a flawless block gap.

Even her safer stuff with staff starts as a high and leaves her next to you if she uses it.

People insisting they can't get in and can't play footsies with her is wild. She's not -5 with pushback on these staff normals to where she can just throw out staff attacks and you have to hold it and there's no counter play.

I did fine with Erron when I played Jades and he was never my main, I don't see what the problem is.


I'm apparently not the only one. What I claimed Erron can do, he does in the set like abusing acid and bullying her up close and shooting her projectiles. Why does he care about glow when he has the means to chip her down with it active AND he has a stance that CANCELS her projectiles.
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Great analysis! Players that know how to fight Jade walk just outside of d4 range and neutral crouch. Anything she does gets blown up full combo lol.
 
Neeko

Neeko

Noob
Sonic actually said on twitter not long after combo breaker that he actually doesn’t think erron was quite as good as he thought. Still solid top tier but probably not super s like everyone thinks. He had to switch off him multiple times in combo breaker for jacqui and skarlet. He has some of the worst wake ups in game and anti airs are sub par. Making his defense lacking. I don’t think he’s best in game.
 
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