General/Other Doomsday patch notes.

[Metzos]

Doomsday
· The meter burn version of his Venom special move now has two hits of armor.
· If Doomsday is hit into a 3D wall bounce while his Doom to All (Character Power) is active, the Interactive Object is no longer rendered useless for the rest of the match.


Sooo, about the buff and fix DD received. Do you think it will help him against certain MU's? I already have two or three in mind. Having 2 hits on MB Venom is really cool and all, but IMO, he should have been immune to parries when he has trait activated as well. Overall though, NRS did a good job with the top characters (i spit on YOUR tomb Black Adam and a big FO to Superman) and the buffs the lower characters got are really good as well. Discuss fellow DD players.

GGA Jeremiah, Perfect Legend, Vintagesoul, SonicBoomBrad, @all DD players.

 

[MastererBetty]

I really like the buff a lot as well as the normalizations to Batman Supes and BA

 

[GGA Jeremiah]

Here's what I think.

Batman: His batarangs are 2 hits, so the armor part will help that out. Also Batman B2,3 string was so hard for Doomie to deal with, this MU might be manageable now.

Deathstroke: His high and low shots are 2 hits so this will help somewhat as well.

Killer Frost: Her daggers were two hits so this will help, but this MU will still be terrible for poor Doomie.

Black Adam: Got deservedly nerfed. So I might have been right all along saying this was Doomie advantage . But don't let the Black Adam tears fool you, BA will still be amazingly good (I still think he will be top 5.) I am wondering with the hit advantage they are giving him on that one string will actually give him setups with his lightning bomb move? If so look out.

Superman: He got nerfed but I still feel this will be very hard for Doomsday. The one thing us fellow Doomies wanted was a nerf to the cooldown on his stupid trait that refreshes stupidly fast. We did not get that

This patch will make the game more fun to play which is the utmost important part. I feel when it is all said and done Doomsday will fall somewhere into the 6-12 range in this game. Doomsday should be totally tournament viable, but maybe once we figure out all our bad MUs we can figure out the best alt to have with Doomsday.

There are so many good characters that are fighting for top 12.

Aquaman, Superman, Black Adam, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Batgirl, Batman, Zod, Doomsday, Killer Frost, Martian Manhunter, and so many I am forgetting now. But they can't all be top 12.

 

[NB Semi Evil Ryu]

Also Batman B2,3 string was so hard for Doomie to deal with, this MU might be manageable now.

This was my initial reaction, too, but then I remembered that the notes stated that the extra recovery is on blocked or whiffed B23's only. I'm curious as to whether NRS considers Batman's B23 making contact with Doomsday when he's in trait as a "hit" or "block".

 

[GGA Jeremiah]

This was my initial reaction, too, but then I remembered that the notes stated that the extra recovery is on blocked or whiffed B23's only. I'm curious as to whether NRS considers Batman's B23 making contact with Doomsday when he's in trait as a "hit" or "block".

Yeah but with 2 hits of armor now, we can get in without trait now. So maybe Doomies will save it for corner pressure or something like that.

 

[NB Semi Evil Ryu]

Yeah but with 2 hits of armor now, we can get in without trait now. So maybe Doomies will save it for corner pressure or something like that.

Ahh, I see where you're going with this now. Yup, I think that you're right.

 

[Briggs8417]

Here's what I think.

Batman: His batarangs are 2 hits, so the armor part will help that out. Also Batman B2,3 string was so hard for Doomie to deal with, this MU might be manageable now.

Deathstroke: His high and low shots are 2 hits so this will help somewhat as well.

Killer Frost: Her daggers were two hits so this will help, but this MU will still be terrible for poor Doomie.

Black Adam: Got deservedly nerfed. So I might have been right all along saying this was Doomie advantage . But don't let the Black Adam tears fool you, BA will still be amazingly good (I still think he will be top 5.) I am wondering with the hit advantage they are giving him on that one string will actually give him setups with his lightning bomb move? If so look out.

Superman: He got nerfed but I still feel this will be very hard for Doomsday. The one thing us fellow Doomies wanted was a nerf to the cooldown on his stupid trait that refreshes stupidly fast. We did not get that

This patch will make the game more fun to play which is the utmost important part. I feel when it is all said and done Doomsday will fall somewhere into the 6-12 range in this game. Doomsday should be totally tournament viable, but maybe once we figure out all our bad MUs we can figure out the best alt to have with Doomsday.

There are so many good characters that are fighting for top 12.

Aquaman, Superman, Black Adam, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Batgirl, Batman, Zod, Doomsday, Killer Frost, Martian Manhunter, and so many I am forgetting now. But they can't all be top 12.

Thank you for being the only person other than me that can see Black Adam is fine.

 

[Briggs8417]

The DD changes really helped him imo.

 

[Vintagesoul]

Doesn't DD beat MMH (I don't have any MMHs around so I wouldn't know). With all this talk about MMH becoming the new number 1, DD being able to check him would be huge.

Green Arrow is going to be (significantly?) tougher now with MB stinger being a safe wake up that runs away when you jump over him.

Superman is still a problem as long at his f2 BnB does decent damage and still sets up mid screen otgs. No fix to address his float stance makes me sad.

BA is going to be destroyed by DD now. Deathstroke is in serious trouble. Batman is a possible 5-5 now depending on how far they went with the b23 nerf.

Aquaman will be a problem once Aquaman players spend some time in the lab with the earthshaker bug.

f3 just became a little better as an oki move against 1 hit wake up characters.

All in all, DD is still going to be a great character to run though with pools, but I remain agnostic on how some of his bad match ups will play out.

 

[Bildslash]

His buff basically means Doomsday can ignore zoning all together. His MB Venom covers ground pretty fast. Zoning and keepaway characters like Deathstroke and Sinestro will now have to respect Doomsday when he has meter at all times.

 

[Vintagesoul]

DD possibly loses to Bane now. Maybe Shazam too.

 

[Metzos]

Here's what I think.

Batman: His batarangs are 2 hits, so the armor part will help that out. Also Batman B2,3 string was so hard for Doomie to deal with, this MU might be manageable now.

Deathstroke: His high and low shots are 2 hits so this will help somewhat as well.

Killer Frost: Her daggers were two hits so this will help, but this MU will still be terrible for poor Doomie.

Black Adam: Got deservedly nerfed. So I might have been right all along saying this was Doomie advantage . But don't let the Black Adam tears fool you, BA will still be amazingly good (I still think he will be top 5.) I am wondering with the hit advantage they are giving him on that one string will actually give him setups with his lightning bomb move? If so look out.

Superman: He got nerfed but I still feel this will be very hard for Doomsday. The one thing us fellow Doomies wanted was a nerf to the cooldown on his stupid trait that refreshes stupidly fast. We did not get that

This patch will make the game more fun to play which is the utmost important part. I feel when it is all said and done Doomsday will fall somewhere into the 6-12 range in this game. Doomsday should be totally tournament viable, but maybe once we figure out all our bad MUs we can figure out the best alt to have with Doomsday.

There are so many good characters that are fighting for top 12.

Aquaman, Superman, Black Adam, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Batgirl, Batman, Zod, Doomsday, Killer Frost, Martian Manhunter, and so many I am forgetting now. But they can't all be top 12.

Yeap, those are the MU's i had in mind as well. Imo i believe that Batman - DD will probably be an even MU now. Same with BA. He is still strong though, but at least now he is manageable.

KF will still rape DD though.

 

[Metzos]

Doesn't DD beat MMH (I don't have any MMHs around so I wouldn't know). With all this talk about MMH becoming the new number 1, DD being able to check him would be huge.

Green Arrow is going to be (significantly?) tougher now with MB stinger being a safe wake up that runs away when you jump over him.

Superman is still a problem as long at his f2 BnB does decent damage and still sets up mid screen otgs. No fix to address his float stance makes me sad.

BA is going to be destroyed by DD now. Deathstroke is in serious trouble. Batman is a possible 5-5 now depending on how far they went with the b23 nerf.

Aquaman will be a problem once Aquaman players spend some time in the lab with the earthshaker bug.

f3 just became a little better as an oki move against 1 hit wake up characters.

All in all, DD is still going to be a great character to run though with pools, but I remain agnostic on how some of his bad match ups will play out.

DD vs MMH pre patch, is an even MU.

 

[SoapBar]

I'll still be dreading the KF matchup, but BA and and even Supes should be much more manageable now.

 

[Metzos]

I'll still be dreading the KF matchup, but BA and and even Supes should be much more manageable now.

Same here. KF will still rape DD after the patch. BA and Supes will be solid 6-4 in their favor for sure. I even dare say that DD-BA might even be in DD's favor after the patch, but we ll see.

 

[Nivek]

he needed the 2 hit armor obviously..and i have only one more thing to say..Oooooopppouououourrrr..!..!..!..!

 

[Rajjaka]

great news for the ultimate !

i would say that the 2 hit armor is a huge deal.... i comes to my mind several characters. Mainly Batman, Aquaman, Black Adam, grundy and Batgirl. Black adam beeing nerfed and doomsday with two hits of armor does kill is damn mblightning cage wakeup... i believe this is huge because BA will now think twice before getting up against a meter Doomsday, same thing with Aquaman low scoop.. i remember some aquaman would reed your full screen mb venom with the low scoop sometimes, now with the 2 hits of armor cannot do it. I would really like now to probe that damn chartwheel wakeup of batgirl... i thinks it has 3 hits or a very fast 2 hits, but no one knows what would happend there coz of her invisivility and the speed of those hit against dd armor. well see.... oki now is going to be another thing.

about Batman, the zone is going to be really hard for him... throwing those batarang waiting for doomie to jump and eat those mb up batarang for full combo is going to be a lot difficult now. if we have meter we can just go throug.


cheers !

 

[RadicalFuzz]

Mainly Batman, Aquaman, Black Adam, grundy and Batgirl.

How does 2 hits of armor help the MU against Grundy?

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

How does 2 hits of armor help the MU against Grundy?

it doesn't

Grundy can still WCC both versions of Venom for a combo, since we are hitting him in recovery and not active frames.

I've started using the character for lulz... then I got a little more serious.
I wish I could HC JD3 3 better.

If I could convert those splashes into more damage, I think he'd be top 5.

KF may be a hard MU, but really..... that iss good. She wont' be unwinnable, and you'll feel like a boss smacking those pancake tits around.

 

[Rajjaka]

How does 2 hits of armor help the MU against Grundy?

man... i thought i deleted Grundy.... becouse i am not sure about something. Maybe you could help me out, his grab has 3 hits of armor, so when it comes to trade i guess it would be even.... the first hit of the shoulder taken by grundys first hit of armor, then second armored shoulder taken by grundy and this is where i believe i am mistaken.... doomsday might get the grab???... it depends on the time of the durability of the second armor and the recovery.....i guess you have to time well te MB of the venom so the trade will be even.

if i am talking nonsense i apologise.... i thought i delete grundy from the list, coz i am not 100% sure.

 

[Rajjaka]

it doesn't

Grundy can still WCC both versions of Venom for a combo, since we are hitting him in recovery and not active frames.

if you delay the MB it might work.

 

[REDRUM]

still think he needed a Damage Buff and his b3/f3 needs to be a bit faster, more so the b3.

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

if you delay the MB it might work.

The timing would make a difference sure.

but both of those moves are hard to "see" and react to. You basically have to do it on a good read .... or just throw it out in hopes that it will work.

but yes you're correct.

 

[Deyrax]

This buff is appreciated, especially considering all Doomsday got from patches was a shit load of nerfs. There are still some things that should be improved, I hope they will in the final patch.

 

[Rajjaka]

The timing would make a difference sure.

but both of those moves are hard to "see" and react to. You basically have to do it on a good read .... or just throw it out in hopes that it will work.

but yes you're correct.

yes of course... i ve found myself trading with groundy a bunch of times...... i know what you mean.