consolidating characters

[PaletteSwap]

EDIT: Can a mod please move this to general? Didn't realize I was posting in a character forum. Thanks.

I know some people may say I didn't have to start a new thread for this but it isn't just roster speculation. I've been thinking a lot about the roster size paired with each character having 3 variations. Also, there are the new characters which Boon said would be abundant.

It got me thinking just how precious a character slot is in a game with roughly 30 slots with god know how many new comers.

I thought about the most efficient rosters with the most important characters and I still run out of space.

Then i thought about Farrah-Torr. 2 kombatants in one character (to a small degree). For one of the 3 variations you can play as Tor with Farrah being an observer.

Then I thought "shit, with 3 variations they could consolidate characters that have a history, share a clan, or are counterparts. I wonder if we will see Noob Smoke? 1 variation where they both teleport all over together, confusing the opponent and assisting each other. The remaining 2 variations could be primarily the individual characters with minimal use of the other.

Then we have the undead kitana and jade. Could even be that Noob reprograms Cyber Sub this time around.

I know it would be ideal to just give these characters their own fleshed out variations, but with how popular they are I'm sure their fans would rather them like that than not at all. I could totally see NRS doing that with at least 1 more pair of characters to save space and time.

Thoughts? Insults? Name calling for creating a speculation thread?

 

[Mikemetroid]

Moved thread for ya @PaletteSwap

 

[Pterodactyl]

If they don't do that, they'd be a little dumb.
They really could just make a character just a trio that the player can choose between, with them sharing base attacks but different special moves and costumes.

 

[VenomX-90]

If everybody is gonna be a team then its gonna be like another SFXT, which I like that game but I just want it to be single only and tag be another feature seperately.

 

[Pterodactyl]

If everybody is gonna be a team then its gonna be like another SFXT, which I like that game but I just want it to be single only and tag be another feature seperately.

I don't think he said "everybody" or even "most".

Why have this concept if you can't have at least some teams?

 

[VenomX-90]

I don't think he said "everybody" or even "most".

Why have this concept if you can't have at least some teams?

Some are ok but the whole cast? naw. But if there were one team like Noob-Smoke in MKD then ppl will bitch about they being too OP and want them be nerfed to some degree. I didnt play MKD online during the MK 3D era but I heard ppl used alot of Noob-Smoke in MU.

 

[Rathalos]

Cyber-Zero and Smoke

Alt one
CSZ in front with Smoke assists.
Alt two
Smoke in front with CSZ assists.
Alt three
Cyber Smoke

Probably waaay too much work for a single character, but I would love it.
Maybe as DLC or something.

 

[PaletteSwap]

I never said the whole cast. I'm not implying that it is tag team either. Think of it more like Gen from Street Fighter 4. You do a special move and you can end up in a different stance when you finish.

Take that and imply it to a hypothetical Noob Smoke variation I'll call "salt and pepper." There wouldn't be a tag button, just special moves that change "style." Smoke would teleport, hit in front and then behind but the last overhead hit would be Noob Saibot. You'd then be in "Noob Stance." It would still be the same general character with similar normals (since noob would likely program or brainwash smoke to fight like him), but different specials.

With the other 2 variations, being more focused on Noob and Smoke as individuals, there would be very limited influence from their counterpart. Maybe in Smokes stance Noob could assist during the throw or the X-Ray and vice versa, but they'd still be their own individual character variation.

 

[Pterodactyl]

Some are ok but the whole cast? naw. But if there were one team like Noob-Smoke in MKD then ppl will bitch about they being too OP and want them be nerfed to some degree. I didnt play MKD online during the MK 3D era but I heard ppl used alot of Noob-Smoke in MU.

He didn't say the whole cast.

Anyway.

It would basically be one character with three variations, but the variations have different skins and stories, and are presented as different characters despite playing the same with a few different special moves.

Not really hard to get.

Instead of having a ninja with fire and water variations, have it be two ninjas who have the same base moves, but when you select fire you get one of the ninjas mostly by themselves, and if you select water you get the other ninja mostly by themselves. The third variation would have them working together in some way.

It's not actually two character against one, it's just cosmetically that.

This is very simple.

 

[CCVengeance]

Cage and Sonya fight as one character. The couple who fight together have a spunky kid together.

 

[legion666]

As I desperately want Shang tsung to be in MKX, when it comes to teams I want Syndel and Shang to be one. Just think about it, they were supposedly killed by Nightwolf while Shang's juice was inside Syndel. Nightwolf's ritual could have mixed their souls together!

 

[Youphemism]

As I desperately want Shang tsung to be in MKX, when it comes to teams I want Syndel and Shang to be one. Just think about it, they were supposedly killed by Nightwolf while Shang's juice was inside Syndel. Nightwolf's ritual could have mixed their souls together!

I don't know what weird porn you've been watching but Shang's souls were merged with Sindel's, there was no exchanging of "juice"...

 

[BrosephPR]

All I want to see is a new Lin kuei Cyber Ninja that has 3 variations which are nods to Cyrax(bombs and net variation), Sektor(missile flamethrower variation) and C.SubZero/Smoke. Then when you finish story mode you unlock all three cyber ninjas skins(with their unique voices) and there you have it, 4 characters in one slot.

 

[callMEcrazy]

I'm all but certain this won't happen for more than 1 character(team) at the absolute most. They might throw in 1 combo like Noob-Smoke but that's it. When they are able to get 3 variations out of brand new characters they can certainly get 3 from individual old characters. Squeezing Kitana/Mileena/Jade or Cyrax/Sektor/Cyber-Zero into 1 character severely undermines those characters who have enough depth to produce 3 variations each.

Secondly, the devs will be left with a lot of work like that, even more so than the monumental task they already have. Variations of 1 character have lots in common but Kitana and Mileena can't have same normals or frames, under 1 team or not.

Finally, the whole point of variations is to be able to play a single character in various ways. Double or triple teaming defeats that purpose entirely. I would rather they leave out some big names than do that.

 

[oNe87_Kentucky]

You people forgot Saibot.

 

[Eddy Wang]

It remains to be seen, i was discussing this with a guy on Twitter, and we randomly made Ed Boon part of the conversation.

I especulated that, if the quan chi Brotherhood captains are in the game ( Kia, Jataaka and Sareena), might be first case where each variation will be one of the 3, and each variation might not only have different playstyles, as it might have different special moves as well.

Although i feel they might share fatalities

 

[PaletteSwap]

I'm all but certain this won't happen for more than 1 character(team) at the absolute most. They might throw in 1 combo like Noob-Smoke but that's it. When they are able to get 3 variations out of brand new characters they can certainly get 3 from individual old characters. Squeezing Kitana/Mileena/Jade or Cyrax/Sektor/Cyber-Zero into 1 character severely undermines those characters who have enough depth to produce 3 variations each.

Secondly, the devs will be left with a lot of work like that, even more so than the monumental task they already have. Variations of 1 character have lots in common but Kitana and Mileena can't have same normals or frames, under 1 team or not.

Finally, the whole point of variations is to be able to play a single character in various ways. Double or triple teaming defeats that purpose entirely. I would rather they leave out some big names than do that.

I agree with you on consolidation being kept minimal. I know they wouldn't go nuts with it. I'm just thinking for characters where it would make sense or align with the story. The kitana/jade example was mostly hypothetical, though it would be viable if you take into consideration the differences between Scorpion's ninjutsu and hellfire variations. Jade would be the equivalent to ninjutsu (more range, focus on weapon).

I doubt it's gonna happen with jade and kitana but something of consolidation can still occur. Take Cassie Cage for example. Hybrid between Johnny and Sonya therefore eliminating the need for including them (probably). NRS is trying to get the most bang for their buck with this roster, I feel.

It would be an awkward sight to see a character named Kitana/Jade, but creating a new character that has a charge kick and long range like Jade while also having a fast projectile that suspends the opponent slightly like Kitana isn't inconceivable. I think Khameleon is a super gimmicky and lazy character, but I really do wonder if she will end up saving a couple spaces on the select screen.

I'm betting that Cassie Cage and Ferra-Torr aren't gonna be the only 2 (or 3) characters that are gonna jam pack a lot of traits into one slot.

@Eddy Wang

That's actually an interesting idea. What would their name be? Dark sisters? Would it be according to the variation picked? I could see it working because we have no preconceived notions how any of them should play besides Sareena. They'd make an interesting sub-sub boss considering Shinnok is likely the main boss (unless NRS throws a curve ball and makes him the Shang Tsung of MKX).

 

[Pterodactyl]

It remains to be seen, i was discussing this with a guy on Twitter, and we randomly made Ed Boon part of the conversation.

I especulated that, if the quan chi Brotherhood captains are in the game ( Kia, Jataaka and Sareena), might be first case where each variation will be one of the 3, and each variation might not only have different playstyles, as it might have different special moves as well.

Although i feel they might share fatalities

Those three would actually be the perfect use of this idea.

 

[CCVengeance]

It remains to be seen, i was discussing this with a guy on Twitter, and we randomly made Ed Boon part of the conversation.

I especulated that, if the quan chi Brotherhood captains are in the game ( Kia, Jataaka and Sareena), might be first case where each variation will be one of the 3, and each variation might not only have different playstyles, as it might have different special moves as well.

Although i feel they might share fatalities

That would be ridiculous. One thing is having different specials and strings by variation. Its another each variation being a completely different person. And what would the other 2 do while one is fighting? Run around like Ferrah?

 

[Eddy Wang]

@Eddy Wang

That's actually an interesting idea. What would their name be? Dark sisters? Would it be according to the variation picked? I could see it working because we have no preconceived notions how any of them should play besides Sareena. They'd make an interesting sub-sub boss considering Shinnok is likely the main boss (unless NRS throws a curve ball and makes him the Shang Tsung of MKX).

Sisterhood (3 characters on the select screen)
Variations would probably be their their actually names: Kia (play as Kia), Jataaka (play as Jataaka), Sareena( Play as Sareena).

 

[Eddy Wang]

That would be ridiculous. One thing is having different specials and strings by variation. Its another each variation being a completely different person. And what would the other 2 do while one is fighting? Run around like Ferrah?

Read my post again, i said each variation would allow 1 different character on screen not 3 at the same time

 

[CCVengeance]

Read my post again, i said each variation would allow 1 different character on screen not 3 at the same time

You know what? Fuck it, great idea.

 

[Tony at Home]

Kileenade

Nuff said.

 

[BRUTALITY]

just give me my individual characters please, i want to play noob and smoke not noobsmoke

 

[PaletteSwap]

It's really not that far fetched. This concept pretty much exists with Cassie Cage. I forget the names of the variations but she has one that mimics Sonya (spec ops maybe?) and one that mimics Johnny Cage where she is literally wearing sun glasses.

I haven't been following her character forum so I don't know if people are happy with it or if they'd rather just have Johnny Cage and Sonya as individuals, or if people are just happy that Johnny and Sonya finally boned.

(Disclaimer: it's just my personal assumption that Johnny Cage and Sonya won't be playable. Seems like it would be redundant)