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Cassie's Reversal BD3 between gaps against the whole possible cast

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Hor_PeT

Kombatant
Amazing but can be unsafe on read and if the move can be staggerred (as it would be in case of flawless block work around).

Btw flawless block mechanism is good enough. If you add 6f reversals to everybody they could throw out flawless block...
 
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sars

Apprentice
Vslayer said:
MODS DELETE THIS! THE PEOPLE MUST NOT KNOW!

But yeah, you can do it to a lot of strings. I've been doing it to Reed's Jax and Eldriken's Scarlet a lot, it helps halt their pressure. It's amazing <3
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It is great, I didn’t know there were so many strings though. I’ll need to learn them all.
 
Eddy Wang

Eddy Wang

Skarlet scientist
Hor_PeT said:
Amazing but can be unsafe on read and if the move can be staggerred (as it would be in case of flawless block work around).

Btw flawless block mechanism is good enough. If you add 6f reversals to everybody they could throw out flawless block...
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that's the whole point of it, in the beta you every character with 8f jabs could interrupt gaps which was way worse, so they reduced the gaps within the windows to be around 6f, so anything higher can't interrupt.

Flawless gaps starts on 1f
 
Rozalin1780

Rozalin1780

Good? Bad? I'm the one with the fans
Doesn't affect Kitana too much, honestly. The 3212 string is useless, so you'll never see that one. It can stop 12d2 in the neutral, but not if you whiff 1 on purpose (which most of the time you do anyway because of its poor range). It stops B34 (her only low starter) but if you read the reversal, you can B3~lift for full combo or bait it with just B3. In either case, you can bait this if they are mashing it by just throwing out the first hit in either string (1 or B3) and blocking.
 
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Hor_PeT

Kombatant
Eddy Wang said:
that's the whole point of it, in the beta you every character with 8f jabs could interrupt gaps which was way worse, so they reduced the gaps within the windows to be around 6f, so anything higher can't interrupt.

Flawless gaps starts on 1f
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I just do not understand why you said: "reason why Reversals should all be 6f imo "
It would be an overkill against gaps together with flawless block and redundant with flawless block.
And would makes even -6 on block moves easy punishable for everyone...(if specials starts on 0. frame as it was in MKX)

Cassie has no 6F reversal with Ball Buster but 10F according to the game...
And for Cassie it is not that OP I think: Cassie does 60 damage (and take her turn with +2) but it is -22 on block if the opponent reads it and can do anything about that.

But yes it is more than flawless block as e.g. in Geras F212 there is no gap but just low profile... Against Geras it is pretty good lol as worst case Geras trades (F22) other cases he sux (he can not even stagger F2 as it is -13).

But e.g. against Scorpion F34 it might be too risky to use as F3 is only -2. And Even Scorpion F32/F34 trades with Cassie's reversal and Cassie get's more damage so probably lose/lose to use it against him.

NRS will remove it if it turns out too op. Right now I do not think so.

For gaps the FB and FB counters should be enough (you can decide if you can and want to combo with your U2 or use the invincible U3).
For plain reversals (which is a special move) I totally do not support 6F specials for everyone. It would lead into other troubles not just in gaps but the whole frame data concept.

If I misunderstood you statement I will apologize. I do not really want to argue on this either.
 
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ChadHaveMercy

ChadHaveMercy

Mortal
this is absolutely wonderful! last night i was nut kicking folks out of d1's and d3's (you know...THOSE guys...d1d1d1d1d1d1d1d1d1d1throw) pretty easily and with a high success rate. also against strings that I was unfamiliar with by holding block and "feathering" bd3 over and over rapidly and just letting go of block once I seen a break in the string... M not the most technically sound method of course but it WAS working
 
Eddy Wang

Eddy Wang

Skarlet scientist
GLoRToR said:
Holy fuck. Jade's fastest reversal is bf2 which is i13 and -13. So basically too slow to blow up gaps and too unsafe to use liberally.
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the real advantage of this move is the low profiling as @Hor_PeT said, because cassie's db3 its slower than skarlet. i went on and tested some of these gaps with skarlet and the results are just as funny in some particular cases.
 
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Hor_PeT

Kombatant
GLoRToR said:
Holy fuck. Jade's fastest reversal is bf2 which is i13 and -13. So basically too slow to blow up gaps and too unsafe to use liberally.
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You probably miss the point of Cassie's reversal if you focus on the start up. :)

I think Jaqui's clinch is 8f.
 
GLoRToR

GLoRToR

Positive Poster!
Hor_PeT said:
You probably miss the point of Cassie's reversal if you focus on the start up. :)

I think Jaqui's clinch is 8f.
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No, no, I see the whole point, but on top of it being a low and that hitbox it's also 10f when my standing fastest reversal is utter shit and doesn't even anti-air right, it's just typical nrs design again.
 
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Hor_PeT

Kombatant
GLoRToR said:
No, no, I see the whole point, but on top of it being a low and that hitbox it's also 10f when my standing fastest reversal is utter shit and doesn't even anti-air right, it's just typical nrs design again.
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I really hope I will see any positive comment from you in the future as I feel myself bad reading your posts. :)
No offense.

Btw I saw Jades playing in tournaments she was pretty good.
 
GLoRToR

GLoRToR

Positive Poster!
Hor_PeT said:
I really hope I will see any positive comment from you in the future as I feel myself bad reading your posts. :)
No offense.

Btw I saw Jades playing in tournaments she was pretty good.
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I'm sure you will if the patches do some justice. But let's not derail this any further, was not my intention.

The players were good, yes.
 
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