All Smoke's Frame Data (pre day-1 patch, obviously)

[RoboCop]

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[RoboCop]

Of note:

• b2 is a 28-frame overhead, but only -5 on block! Extends as b23, which is a cancelable low that's -15 on block.
• 8-frame d2
• standing 1 is a 7-frame high
• f1 is 10-frame high, only -2 on block, so might be a solid stagger
• f12 is +2 on block and is cancelable!
• f3 is an 11-frame low starter. It looks like they gave him Sub's MK11 b3. Only -5 on block
• f32 goes low-overhead and is 0 on block!!!
• f324 ends with an overhead that is 0 on block!!! Wtf were they talking about saying he is "high risk" lol
• he has a string based on his d3! Unsafe, but I suppose it allows him to throw out d3 pokes a little more safely
• His sweep (b4) is 11 frames and +2 on block!
• His f4 is a 20-frame high but it's +8 on block! But -2 on flawless block.
• Smoke Bomb is only -14, not as unsafe as I thought it would be.
• Smoke Port is massively unsafe at -30! It hits low, can be used in the air, and can be canceled.

@Juggs

[Edit] I did not even notice this until @Mind Flex mentioned it, but Smoke Bomb is listed as a High... I'm sure this has to be a mistake, otherwise you can neutral crouch and it will whiff, which makes no sense for the move or its animation.

 

[The Ultimate]

Sounds pretty crazy, but do keep in mind that a day one patch is coming. Keep those notes in mind and compare them after the patch.

 

[RoboCop]

Yeah, day-1 patch could change any of this.

 

[Mind Flex]

Some notes.

-No mid.
-Overhead 2 hit confirmable string is unsafe. Third hit is high with a huge gap. Expect to see lots of the new D2 mechanic if you throw it out. Raw single overhead IS safe.
-Smoke Bomb teleport isnt an overhead. Its a high. I wonder what happens if someone neutral ducks it.
-Low starter is 11 frames, OH is 28. Fuzzyable.
-D1 is 7 frames. Typically I hope to see 6f, but I don't know what to expect for pokes in this game yet

Overall disappointed but my hope is that his toolkit and options makes up for his frames.

 

[Mind Flex]

Of note:

• b2 is a 28-frame overhead, but only -5 on block! Extends as b23, which is a cancelable low that's -15 on block.
• 8-frame d2
• standing 1 is a 7-frame high
• f1 is 10-frame high, only -2 on block, so might be a solid stagger
• f12 is +2 on block and is cancelable!
• f3 is an 11-frame low starter. It looks like they gave him Sub's MK11 b3. Only -5 on block
• f32 goes low-overhead and is 0 on block!!!
• f324 ends with an overhead that is 0 on block!!! Wtf were they talking about saying he is "high risk" lol
• he has a string based on his d3! Unsafe, but I suppose it allows him to throw out d3 pokes a little more safely
• His sweep (b4) is 11 frames and +2 on block!
• His f4 is a 20-frame high but it's +8 on block! But -2 on flawless block.
• Smoke Bomb is only -14, not as unsafe as I thought it would be.
• Smoke Port is massively unsafe at -30!

@Juggs

I guess I should have waited an extra minute. Great breakdown!

 

[kabelfritz]

Some notes.

-No mid.
-Overhead 2 hit confirmable string is unsafe. Third hit is high with a huge gap. Expect to see lots of the new D2 mechanic if you throw it out. Raw single overhead IS safe.
-Smoke Bomb teleport isnt an overhead. Its a high. I wonder what happens if someone neutral ducks it.
-Low starter is 11 frames, OH is 28. Fuzzyable.
-D1 is 7 frames. Typically I hope to see 6f, but I don't know what to expect for pokes in this game yet

Overall disappointed but my hope is that his toolkit and options makes up for his frames.

no mid thats sick - but fits well into the beta movedata which wasnt giving out anything for free, i like it.

 

[Kindred]

no mid thats sick - but fits well into the beta movedata which wasnt giving out anything for free, i like it.

I guess his 11-frame low will fulfill that role

 

[ShaolinGunFu]

When you said f324 is so low risk, i assume you didnt yet know theres a huge gap before 4, and 2 can be easily upblocked