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All Smoke's Frame Data (pre day-1 patch, obviously)

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Of note:
  • b2 is a 28-frame overhead, but only -5 on block! Extends as b23, which is a cancelable low that's -15 on block.
  • 8-frame d2
  • standing 1 is a 7-frame high
  • f1 is 10-frame high, only -2 on block, so might be a solid stagger
  • f12 is +2 on block and is cancelable!
  • f3 is an 11-frame low starter. It looks like they gave him Sub's MK11 b3. Only -5 on block
  • f32 goes low-overhead and is 0 on block!!!
  • f324 ends with an overhead that is 0 on block!!! Wtf were they talking about saying he is "high risk" lol
  • he has a string based on his d3! Unsafe, but I suppose it allows him to throw out d3 pokes a little more safely
  • His sweep (b4) is 11 frames and +2 on block!
  • His f4 is a 20-frame high but it's +8 on block! But -2 on flawless block.
  • Smoke Bomb is only -14, not as unsafe as I thought it would be.
  • Smoke Port is massively unsafe at -30! It hits low, can be used in the air, and can be canceled.
@Juggs

[Edit] I did not even notice this until @Mind Flex mentioned it, but Smoke Bomb is listed as a High... I'm sure this has to be a mistake, otherwise you can neutral crouch and it will whiff, which makes no sense for the move or its animation.
 
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Mind Flex

Mind Flex

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Some notes.

-No mid.
-Overhead 2 hit confirmable string is unsafe. Third hit is high with a huge gap. Expect to see lots of the new D2 mechanic if you throw it out. Raw single overhead IS safe.
-Smoke Bomb teleport isnt an overhead. Its a high. I wonder what happens if someone neutral ducks it.
-Low starter is 11 frames, OH is 28. Fuzzyable.
-D1 is 7 frames. Typically I hope to see 6f, but I don't know what to expect for pokes in this game yet

Overall disappointed but my hope is that his toolkit and options makes up for his frames.
 
Mind Flex

Mind Flex

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RoboCop said:
Of note:
  • b2 is a 28-frame overhead, but only -5 on block! Extends as b23, which is a cancelable low that's -15 on block.
  • 8-frame d2
  • standing 1 is a 7-frame high
  • f1 is 10-frame high, only -2 on block, so might be a solid stagger
  • f12 is +2 on block and is cancelable!
  • f3 is an 11-frame low starter. It looks like they gave him Sub's MK11 b3. Only -5 on block
  • f32 goes low-overhead and is 0 on block!!!
  • f324 ends with an overhead that is 0 on block!!! Wtf were they talking about saying he is "high risk" lol
  • he has a string based on his d3! Unsafe, but I suppose it allows him to throw out d3 pokes a little more safely
  • His sweep (b4) is 11 frames and +2 on block!
  • His f4 is a 20-frame high but it's +8 on block! But -2 on flawless block.
  • Smoke Bomb is only -14, not as unsafe as I thought it would be.
  • Smoke Port is massively unsafe at -30!
@Juggs
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I guess I should have waited an extra minute. Great breakdown!
 
kabelfritz

kabelfritz

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Mind Flex said:
Some notes.

-No mid.
-Overhead 2 hit confirmable string is unsafe. Third hit is high with a huge gap. Expect to see lots of the new D2 mechanic if you throw it out. Raw single overhead IS safe.
-Smoke Bomb teleport isnt an overhead. Its a high. I wonder what happens if someone neutral ducks it.
-Low starter is 11 frames, OH is 28. Fuzzyable.
-D1 is 7 frames. Typically I hope to see 6f, but I don't know what to expect for pokes in this game yet

Overall disappointed but my hope is that his toolkit and options makes up for his frames.
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no mid thats sick - but fits well into the beta movedata which wasnt giving out anything for free, i like it.
 
ShaolinGunFu

ShaolinGunFu

Warrior
When you said f324 is so low risk, i assume you didnt yet know theres a huge gap before 4, and 2 can be easily upblocked
 
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