Combo Video - Ruthless 41% mid screen meterless "no PnG" up to 69% (Challenge for a 7something%)

[HappyPow]

Yo, I've done a quick video of combos with Ferra/Torr Ruthless. 37% No PnG meterless in the corner (68% 1bar 3PnG), a 41% mid-screen plus some combo with a good corner carry.
So my challenge is : Can you turn that 41% meterless into a combo that needs a bar? I do not have the timing to hit F3 earlier AND B121 just STRAIGHT after the F3 (I think) so I must lose some frames to get a chance to hit with EX Low Toss. The idea is (Under 3 PnG) to hit the strings mentionned previously then EX Low Ferra D2 (RC?) F3 DBF1 in order to hit at least 70%.
Well good luck!

Edit: Tyr to hit Either B121 or 4 (seems better)

 

[Doombawkz]

So wait, whats the challenge? Just break 70%?
Because there's already like... 84% trading combos that do in the area of about 75% without the trade for a bar.

 

[Airvidal]

But you're doing PNG in the video, aren't you?

 

[HappyPow]

So wait, whats the challenge? Just break 70%?
Because there's already like... 84% trading combos that do in the area of about 75% without the trade for a bar.

Did I write something wrong? I thought it was specific enough but tell me if it is not clear. The fact is I ONLY used 1bar MAX. Also as you can see these combos are practicable and more important they start with the most used move of Ferra/Torr B121 (without a JiP or S4 or whatever except for the combos B2 and I think 1 F2).

 

[HappyPow]

But you're doing PNG in the video, aren't you?

It depends, when I said no PnG I meant no PnG at the start of the combo. Getting the PnG during the combo is quite normal. If you watch it you'll see "No PnG combos" Then their equivalents with the whole buff (3PNG).

 

[MK Led]

From Doombawkz's youtube

Can't quite remember what it does off b121 but its probably still over 70

 

[Doombawkz]

Did I write something wrong? I thought it was specific enough but tell me if it is not clear. The fact is I ONLY used 1bar MAX. Also as you can see these combos are practicable and more important they start with the most used move of Ferra/Torr B121 (without a JiP or S4 or whatever except for the combos B2 and I think 1 F2).

b.121xxPnG f.2 f.3 4xxEX bowl girl d.3 b.121xxcommand grab
70%, easy peas.

 

[Doombawkz]

From Doombawkz's youtube

Can't quite remember what it does off b121 but its probably still over 70

It actually does exactly 70%. The NJP is unnecessary because you don't actually gain any damage because of the b.121 starter scaling pretty hard.

 

[Doombawkz]

Also b.121xxPnG f.2 f.3 4xxEX bowl girl n.j.p b.121xxcommand grab does 71%.

It can also be done midscreen as well.

 

[HappyPow]

From Doombawkz's youtube

Can't quite remember what it does off b121 but its probably still over 70

I would swear that it is a 69% maybe a 70% but not over.

 

[HappyPow]

You can hit a Njp after Low Toss? Mmmmh then Try B121 PnG F2 F4 F3 4 (or B121) EX Low Toss NJP B121 DBF1 Or the combo I told you previously (at my 1st message), if I hit 41% on the meterless one (more than 39% for you) then under the buff and with 1bar it should do more, nah?

 

[HappyPow]

Also b.121xxPnG f.2 f.3 4xxEX bowl girl n.j.p b.121xxcommand grab does 71%.

It can also be done midscreen as well.

Ferra has the time to come back? I'm pretty sure not midscreen. I don't know, I'm not on my MK right now (last cigarette before una little siesta).

 

[Doombawkz]

You can hit a Njp after Low Toss? Mmmmh then Try B121 PnG F2 F4 F3 4 (or B121) EX Low Toss NJP B121 DBF1 Or the combo I told you previously (at my 1st message), if I hit 41% on the meterless one (more than 39% for you) then under the buff and with 1bar it should do more, nah?

Here's the thing. I'm all for pretty or swaggy combos, but why would I do something that's way more likely to drop and does the same damage?

 

[Doombawkz]

Ferra has the time to come back? I'm pretty sure not midscreen. I don't know, I'm not on my MK right now (last cigarette before una little siesta).

 

[HappyPow]

Yo sick!! She comes back!!!

Here's the thing. I'm all for pretty or swaggy combos, but why would I do something that's way more likely to drop and does the same damage?

It is more likely going to do more damages.It drops only if you do not have the timings for it, it means : train to get it. Even if it is only 1 more percent, it is still 1 less percent that you will have to cheap on blocks, just saying.
Also, I haven't thought before but you can simply try to replace B121 by 4 (in the combo) in order to make more damages, nah?
I'll try it once la siesta done xD Wish me good luck!
And otherwise, the rest was good or not?

 

[Doombawkz]

Yo sick!! She comes back!!!

It is more likely going to do more damages.
Also, I haven't thought before but you can simply try to replace B121 by 4 (in the combo) in order to make more damages, nah?
I'll try it once la siesta done xD Wish me good luck!
And otherwise, the rest was good or not?

They were fine, but you could replace f.4 with d.2 in most of them and get better damage since d.2 scales less than f.4 does.
The reason yours does more meterless damage is because the combo is shorter, the scaling plays less into it.
The longer the combo is, the more damage you lose. Thats why my combo was able to break 70% with very minimal effort, f.2, f.3, and standing 4 have 10% scaling instead of f.4's 35% scaling.
Your combo, on the other hand, scales a lot because of the f.4 in it. If you replaced that with just d.3 4 you'd honestly get more damage out of it for less work.

Sometimes, less is more. Especially when you have to land the combos mid-match, its better to have as few steps and as much damage as possible. That's optimization.

 

[MK Led]

Sometimes, less is more. Especially when you have to land the combos mid-match, its better to have as few steps and as much damage as possible. That's optimization.

Definitely important to remember in F/T combos especially. The best example of this is f2, 4~X-ray being the optimal X-ray combo (actually f2, f3, 4~X-ray but fuck that its so inconsistent for like 3% more).

 

[Blewdew]

I don't get what this thread is about. F/t already got optimal combos or is this more of a fancy combos thread?

b.121xxPnG f.2 f.3 4xxEX bowl girl d.3 b.121xxcommand grab
70%, easy peas.

Do a njp after f2 and you can squeak out another % or more. I can't remember what damage it was because I don't use this combo anymore

 

[MK Led]

I don't get what this thread is about. F/t already got optimal combos or is this more of a fancy combos thread?
Do a njp after f2 and you can squeak out another % or more. I can't remember what damage it was because I don't use this combo anymore

You got a better one?

 

[Blewdew]

You got a better one?

I do b121,pngc,f2,f3,2f4,mb low toss,njp,b121,cmd grab . It does 1% less damage but if you do it the d3 way it depends on how high you Hit them with mb low toss while you can do the First one regardless on height. I think doombawkz posted it and it felt way more consistent so I switched to it.

 

[Prinz]

 

[HappyPow]

They were fine, but you could replace f.4 with d.2 in most of them and get better damage since d.2 scales less than f.4 does.
The reason yours does more meterless damage is because the combo is shorter, the scaling plays less into it.
The longer the combo is, the more damage you lose. Thats why my combo was able to break 70% with very minimal effort, f.2, f.3, and standing 4 have 10% scaling instead of f.4's 35% scaling.
Your combo, on the other hand, scales a lot because of the f.4 in it. If you replaced that with just d.3 4 you'd honestly get more damage out of it for less work.

Sometimes, less is more. Especially when you have to land the combos mid-match, its better to have as few steps and as much damage as possible. That's optimization.

Mmmh Interesting then you're saying that This 41% meterless is going be scaled a lot if I use a meter? It is possible, I haven't thought about that.
Anyway the corner carry seems pretty good (with overhead), I do not know what you think about the corner as well.

I don't get what this thread is about. F/t already got optimal combos or is this more of a fancy combos thread?
Do a njp after f2 and you can squeak out another % or more. I can't remember what damage it was because I don't use this combo anymore

Not really optimal combos, it is just most Ferra Torr that I've fought so far use "Biohazard combos" no matter what (like that D1 combo in the corner for 36). I haven't said it was optimal, I'm not a Ferra/Torr Player, but maybe you can still optimize these combos after all like I said I'm not used to his timings (F3 ; 4 or B121). Plus you can replace B121 by 4 (in the combos). I did a quick video means--- I haven't tried hard.

 

[Doombawkz]

Lol biohazard combos are literally just doing d.1 8 times and command grab.

I do like it though, but I'm a lackey player so all of the ruthless/vicious stuff is kinda weird to me. My hands aren't used to it. Corner carry is awesome though, I will commend you these combos will carry people pretty damn far.

As to your question about the scaling, just trust me. I've done all the work on the raw numbers and basically the only time f.4 is worth it is if whatever follow up you plan to do is less than 12% damage. For example, doing f.4 into 2f.4 PnG for a hard knockdown and free buff would be worth it.

If you gave me a ferra/torr combo with just the inputs, I can usually math out the end damage within 1 or 2%. That's how I knew without doing your longer combo that it would end up doing the same damage

 

[HappyPow]

Lol biohazard combos are literally just doing d.1 8 times and command grab.

I do like it though, but I'm a lackey player so all of the ruthless/vicious stuff is kinda weird to me. My hands aren't used to it. Corner carry is awesome though, I will commend you these combos will carry people pretty damn far.

As to your question about the scaling, just trust me. I've done all the work on the raw numbers and basically the only time f.4 is worth it is if whatever follow up you plan to do is less than 12% damage. For example, doing f.4 into 2f.4 PnG for a hard knockdown and free buff would be worth it.

If you gave me a ferra/torr combo with just the inputs, I can usually math out the end damage within 1 or 2%. That's how I knew without doing your longer combo that it would end up doing the same damage

Haha D1 4 command grab is so hilarious ^^
I can't even do it (check if it does more or less) cause I'm losing frames :'( Ferra/Torr is so hard xD Usually after the njp after EXlow toss, what are your inputs?

 

[Doombawkz]

Haha D1 4 command grab is so hilarious ^^
I can't even do it (check if it does more or less) cause I'm losing frames :'( Ferra/Torr is so hard xD Usually after the njp after EXlow toss, what are your inputs?

b.121 has the most carry, occasionally if I'm going for advantage, I'll actually do something more like f.3 normal throw