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FF looks pretty good, I think everyone was just having a lot of fun with DF and now it's complete garbage. The people in this thread saying we need to "Git gud" when it comes to DF don't even main him but were also the people asking for more nerfs than the F213 FBDC removal pre-patch. It's not...

Damn, nice find. Very simple combo.

Option selects were so dumb and made bad players amazing, amazing players godly.

Man, what are the FBRCs for if we can just barely combo with them? All they had to do was get rid of the F213 FBDC loop. Topkek, looks like DF is ruined but I'll wait for the patch to drop and experiment with it before I main SZ Cryo. Dualist looks great, but I never liked the play style.

Dualist actually might be really good without being as broken as DF was. Yeah, I'm sad DF is pathetic in this patch but whatever, TYM asked for the nerfs.

Sub-Zero looks so OP in the patch. I'm probably gonna pick up Cryo - that shit looks fun. I hope we don't see any nerfs because they overdid it.

Change #1 is questionable but change #3 was definitely expected.

Thoughts? Dualist is now viable, I guess.

I'm switching to Dualist if the buffs transform it into a high tier variation. Very hype.

Been a FOREVER KING fan forever, I knew he'd win a tournament. But he even won it in terrible circumstances, with SF getting a restart at 1 pixel from death! Congrats!

Jailing is a strategy I use on criminals only. Real talk, Derptile tries to represent the Liu community but he actually hates DF. Why anyone takes this guy seriously is beyond me.

Who were the players? I missed half of the pools.

PL should've just dropped the $100 on his 9th loss and walked away. Then we would never really know if he could've come back and the rivalry would live on.

Holy fucking shit, let's just remove the entire variation so your Cutthroat is viable.

Sure bud, DF Liu is in a good place. But Liu loyalists should want him in the best place, not just "good." As of right now, top tiers shit on him without the dash cancel, which is what will be removed in the patch. But let's just keep Liu where he is and support the Tempest/Boneshaper meta...

LOL, if you think DF Liu is top 5 without the DC you know nothing about top tiers.

None, but I'll tell you what Liu does need. He needs a bunch of educated players representing him so they can finally shut the fuck up about him being top tier, because he's not.

ye, it's risky. if you use it once a match (if at all), nobody will exploit the gap. There are obvi. better alternatives but if your opponent has already downloaded all your moves , they generally won't see this coming.

F21 U4 has some creative cancel pressure mid screen when you out of stamina, didn't see any one post about it. Can use BK with it or even FBRC for a surprise. It's a very situational combo, best used when out of stamina and trying to get Some space.

Who do you main? FT5 and winner locked character/variation, loser locked character