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Console Wars, Injustice 2 edition.

Which console should be the tournament standard for Injustice 2?

  • XBone

    Votes: 22 16.2%

  • PS4

    Votes: 114 83.8%
  • Total voters
    136
CrimsonShadow

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
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d3v said:
Because they aren't as practical for running large FGC style tournaments. Most big PC game tournaments, you only really need 10 to 12 setups, 5-6 for each team depending on the game. Compare to something like Evo where you'd need a magnitude more than that.

Then there's the fact that setting up on PC isn't as smooth as on console. It'e generally easier to just plug things in and play on console, compared to PC where you have to deal with drivers, as well as XInput vs DirectInput shenanigans.

Finally, big money doesn't just come from PC manufacturers anymore. In fact, as eSports grows, the bigger money coming in is from companies that traditionally aren't related to, or are only tangentially related to gaming. For example, Red Bull is one of the biggest spenders in terms of eSports sponsorships, sponsoring not just players and teams, but even events (they certainly sponsored my event, Manila Cup, last year). If eSports continues to grow at the rate that it has, then pretty soon we'll start to see even more "mainstream" sponsors.
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I agree with all of this, except that the biggest money in esports indeed does come from PC-based companies, even if they aren't manufacturers. The prize pools from companies like Valve are still head and shoulders above everything else, and all of the truly big-money esports (League, CS:GO, Dota) are played on PC.

Even the prize pools from something like Intel Extreme Masters will still outstrip most RedBull-sponsored events.

This isn't particularly relevant to the fighting game community, though.
 
Mikemetroid

Mikemetroid

Who hired this guy, WTF?
PS4. We are NOT fucking buying 8+ xbones with all the content and then having to deal with 8+ accounts.

Not to mention the issues that xbones have with accounts offline (see Killer Instinct). The UI being slow as shit and converters not working as well.
 
STRYKIE

STRYKIE

Are ya' ready for MK11 kids?!
Literally the only reason PS3 wasn't viable for Injustice 1 was because the architecture wasn't all that friendly towards games that ran on UE3 (in general, not just fighting games). Tekken Tag 2 was the most technically impressive fighting game last gen and PS3 was in fact the optimal choice for that game since the arcade boards were already built upon the PS3 architecture.


Regardless, both consoles this gen use considerably different components and in most cases just comes down to which is the lead development platform. And for all multiplatform fighting games this gen it's been the PS4. So tournament standard for Injustice 2 shouldn't even be a question. Don't listen to 09'ers who don't understand how console architecture works.
 
Bradskynoon

Bradskynoon

Noob
CoRzus said:
Am I the only person who likes PS4 pad better than that boulder they call a pad for Xbone?
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ive never liked the xbox dpad, wrong placement and too inaccurate for me. if i dont have my fightstick i will always opt for the playstation controller
 
rubmytaco

rubmytaco

CarriedByClone
RVB said:
@ChatterBox said it earlier, it's very rare for TO's to push for PC but I'd argue the infrastructure is there, you can take a venue designed for say CS GO or a moba and turn it into a fighting game stage so easily.
I will say this, at this point in time, PS4 and PC been receiving fighting games at the same time but you have games like MKX that perform way worse and are even broken at launch compared to consoles.
So yeah I can see why a TO would go for PS4 and just not wanna deal with PC.
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Because user base... Like I was saying in your stream chat recently, console is more accessible and user friendly. Even people with good PCs have crashes and other issues during your weekly tournaments and that's just not something most people want to deal with. Not to mention the higher price for a decent store bought PC unless you're willing to sacrifice visuals. You can build a cheap PC that will run MKX, but you won't be able to run a lot of other games that are available. By buying a console, you know for a fact that the games you buy will run without many issues and you're getting the same experience as everyone else.
 
Tweedy

Tweedy

Noob
On MKX I started on playstation, switched to xbox for ESL s1 and s2, then switched back for s3.

When I switched back the last time, I didn't trade in my other console and kept both, because I figured it'd happen again for Inj 2. Keeping both consoles is gross imo, I don't need two. I don't play that many games, and I already have a good PC. NRS games kinda force me too.

When ESL season 3 hit, I couldn't afford a playstation 4 until like week 5, then I couldn't afford a converter until the season ended, and had to rely on bnbs like F1 low sword with Kotal to end combos lol. Terrible times.

Moral of the story, if you have both, just keep both if you play these stupid games competitively.
 
RVB

RVB

twitch.tv/rvblacktail
rubmytaco said:
Because user base... Like I was saying in your stream chat recently, console is more accessible and user friendly. Even people with good PCs have crashes and other issues during your weekly tournaments and that's just not something most people want to deal with. Not to mention the higher price for a decent store bought PC unless you're willing to sacrifice visuals. You can build a cheap PC that will run MKX, but you won't be able to run a lot of other games that are available. By buying a console, you know for a fact that the games you buy will run without many issues and you're getting the same experience as everyone else.
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True, that's really the entire appeal to consoles in general, ease of use, still IF I had the means I'd organize a an event with PC hardware just to show that it could be done.
Sadly I can't even offer a measly prize pool for my online tournaments so the above is nothing but a pipe dream.

WARNING to everyone out there... NEVER buy a prebuild PC from a store unless it's one of those mini PC's or steam machines.
 
d3v

d3v

SRK
CrimsonShadow said:
I agree with all of this, except that the biggest money in esports indeed does come from PC-based companies, even if they aren't manufacturers. The prize pools from companies like Valve are still head and shoulders above everything else, and all of the truly big-money esports (League, CS:GO, Dota) are played on PC.

Even the prize pools from something like Intel Extreme Masters will still outstrip most RedBull-sponsored events.

This isn't particularly relevant to the fighting game community, though.
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But that's only for now though, as more mainstream sponsors start coming in, we're going to see larger prize pools from non-PC related entities. For example, a significant amount of sponsorship from last year's Manila Cup (which I help run) came from a telco.
 
GOOD DRAGON

GOOD DRAGON

Awesometacular
So what happens when the Xbox scorpio comes out end of the year then everyone's gonna switch again to Xbox for evo next year? They really should have thought this through
 
JDM

JDM

Noob
Ps4 definitely.

Runs multiple current fighters.

Better pad.

Options to delete Bluetooth controllers are very convenient. Don't think Xbone has that but correct me if I'm wrong.

Ps4 was the standard for mkx, I'm sure a bunch of nrs players bought it just for that. Why switch to Xbone now?
 
GOOD DRAGON

GOOD DRAGON

Awesometacular
JDM said:
Ps4 definitely.

Runs multiple current fighters.

Better pad.

Options to delete Bluetooth controllers are very convenient. Don't think Xbone has that but correct me if I'm wrong.

Ps4 was the standard for mkx, I'm sure a bunch of nrs players bought it just for that. Why switch to Xbone now?
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-Xbox runs current multiple fighters
-Xbox has the better pad from what i have heard of people who have both
-I don't think you can have 12 people signed in at once like the PS4 so the controller issue isn't even a thing and i can't recall ever seeing an issue with this when Xbox was used.
-Xbox was the standard for MKX for 2 seasons of ESL, PS4 got the 3rd
-Xbox doesn't have region lock issues where you have to buy a NA copy just to play against people in NA and vice versa
-When the Xbox scorpio comes out in December its gonna be the most powerful console yet and render in 4k native.
 
Perdition

Perdition

Your friendly neighborhood cynic
I do not care. I have both consoles and use my Hori fighting commander for both. If somehow I miraculously get good enough at Injustice 2 then I will be ready.
 
JDM

JDM

Noob
GOOD DRAGON said:
-Xbox runs current multiple fighters
-Xbox has the better pad from what i have heard of people who have both
-I don't think you can have 12 people signed in at once like the PS4 so the controller issue isn't even a thing and i can't recall ever seeing an issue with this when Xbox was used.
-Xbox was the standard for MKX for 2 seasons of ESL, PS4 got the 3rd
-Xbox doesn't have region lock issues where you have to buy a NA copy just to play against people in NA and vice versa
-When the Xbox scorpio comes out in December its gonna be the most powerful console yet and render in 4k native.
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-Xbox doesn't run anything besides KI for the most part. But yeah someone already answered this.
-Personal preference I guess. I hear people hating on both tbh. Personally I can't stand Xbone controller but yeah preference.
-Idk. I said I was iffy on this. We used to run MKX on xbone here in MI and I don't think we ever had a problem with the controllers but I can't recall. I really like that you can delete the bluetooth devices just in case though.
-ESL sure but all grassroots tourneys pretty much decided on making PS4 the standard so most people practiced on that.
-True region lock sucks, but that doesn't affect local play. Why bring this up? I guess to run online tournaments but eh.
-Has nothing to do with playing in tournament play. Do you think it's feasible for TO's to drop more money on a new xbox just because it looks better? It should run fine on PS4 for tourney play.
 
GOOD DRAGON

GOOD DRAGON

Awesometacular
JDM said:
-Xbox doesn't run anything besides KI for the most part. But yeah someone already answered this.
-Personal preference I guess. I hear people hating on both tbh. Personally I can't stand Xbone controller but yeah preference.
-Idk. I said I was iffy on this. We used to run MKX on xbone here in MI and I don't think we ever had a problem with the controllers but I can't recall. I really like that you can delete the bluetooth devices just in case though.
-ESL sure but all grassroots tourneys pretty much decided on making PS4 the standard so most people practiced on that.
-True region lock sucks, but that doesn't affect local play. Why bring this up? I guess to run online tournaments but eh.
-Has nothing to do with playing in tournament play. Do you think it's feasible for TO's to drop more money on a new xbox just because it looks better? It should run fine on PS4 for tourney play.
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I thought that was the whole point in them choosing PS4 - because it was the more capable console and could run everything smoother. So if that was the reason then why not just apply that to the next .5 console updates- PS has the Pro and Xbone has the Scorpio.
 
JDM

JDM

Noob
They chose ps4 for a myriad of reasons. Both xbone and ps4 ran just as well and PS4 was the standard for SFV. TO's only had to buy one console since SF has always been the staple for the FGC. Not to mention anime games and the like all were getting PS4 releases. Only game that is strictly on Xbone is KI.

They aren't gonna buy the new consoles, they are more expensive and do nothing to help with tournament play. Great for home use I'm sure though, just not feasible to invest in that for a tiny boost in performance that isn't even needed ya know.
 
GOOD DRAGON

GOOD DRAGON

Awesometacular
JDM said:
They chose ps4 for a myriad of reasons. Both xbone and ps4 ran just as well and PS4 was the standard for SFV. TO's only had to buy one console since SF has always been the staple for the FGC. Not to mention anime games and the like all were getting PS4 releases. Only game that is strictly on Xbone is KI.

They aren't gonna buy the new consoles, they are more expensive and do nothing to help with tournament play. Great for home use I'm sure though, just not feasible to invest in that for a tiny boost in performance that isn't even needed ya know.
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Ye my point mainly was that developers are already making games for that system even VR games which won't be able to run on your normal PS4 or XBOX1 so if by next year they are going to have to start having the console to be able to play those tournament games that require the scorpio or Pro before EVO 2018 then it only makes sense to do it on the scorpio as the new demanding games will be able to run smoother on the more powerful system. But who knows how IGAU2 will run at the mo.
 
tatterbug4

tatterbug4

Bug of tater's
I could care less honestly. Both consoles are probably gonna be wanted anyways. You are probably gonna need Xbox for esl. And play station for normal tourneys. Although some tourneys might be Xbox just because of KI

Xbox will probably win esl because it looks like Microsoft has been poking interest into injustice 2 a bit
 
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