General/Other - Erron Black Final Patch - What do you want to see?

What do you want to see changed for Erron in the final patch?

Universal
F3 has more hit-advantage (currently its at +1)
Faster startup on F2/F3 or a decent mid (Like that would happen )
F122 is safe on block
Throw isn't minus
Faster startup on B2 so we can have a decent anti air? Especially for outlaw

Outlaw
Reduce scaling on F3 ~ 4+2
F3 ~ 4+2 does DoT (1-2% more than stab but the offset is this move already pushes your opponent very far back and its only +15 compared to stabs +24'ish)
F3 ~ 4+2 is now a brutality (opponents head explodes when Erron shoots)
You can now cancel out of B211? Trying to find use for the already useless stab moves lol

Gunslinger
He seems fine to me except that one glitch where if you do DB4 on your opponent and they are now in the corner the gravity brings them down.

But

My most unreasonable wishful thinking change is......SOS3, you are able to ex right before the last hit to cancel out of it but you are -9 instead of -6 on block now.

Cancelling should cost a bar and leave you at -6 (the same) or -8 and not cancelling is the same data

Or

Reduce the chip damage by 30% and cancelling now leaves you at +2 but still requires a bar to cancel.

I have a feeling they will neuter this move next patch by severly reduching the chip damage and giving nothing in return. Plz NRS if you are going to do that then remove the gap.

Marksman
Don't play this variation so can't say

He has one of the best s1s in the game

This might be make gunslinger OP but I always thought of making the last shot of SOS3 cancelable while leaving you at -10 or letting it rip and be +2 with a gap. Would create a lot more mind games.

WeaponQ said:

This might be make gunslinger OP but I always thought of making the last shot of SOS3 cancelable while leaving you at -10 or letting it rip and be +2 with a gap. Would create a lot more mind games.

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Hey, we think a like! I actually posted the same thing u mentioned a while back but not the +2 part haha.

I would like it to be plus as an Erron fanboy lol but it would be OP since it does a ton of chip damage.

Cancelling should cost a bar and leave you at -6 (the same) or -8 and not cancelling is the same data

Or

Reduce the chip damage by 30% and cancelling now leaves you at +2 but still requires a bar to cancel.

I have a feeling they will neuter this move next patch by severly reduching the chip damage and giving nothing in return. Plz NRS if you are going to do that then remove the gap.

Marksman and slinger are fine. Outlaw needs some tweeking with f3, 2+4 and b2,1,1 strings to make them a little more useful in outlaw like you said. I personally like him as is. I just don't want to envite them to look at buffs because we alwAys inevitably get some nerf out of the blue that was never ever discussed as an issue. Let him rock.

I jus wan see this Ron Blak DLC skin

He doesn't need anything, he's broke. top 3 in the game

Make f3 faster and slightly more range. (Or another better mid)
*F122 should not be safe cause then he's going to get a hitconfirmable safe 50 50.
Ex grenade given its old properties back. Slight pushback, plus 7.
2112, 11, and 11b3 tick throws work again.
Db4 in marksman and gunslinger faster, better hitbox and priority for a very awesome looking anti air.


Tbh it's been ages since I played outlaw I have no idea what he needs.

Only change I could think to marksman is not make shot minus on hit.

I want to see sand trap get nerfed so it doesn't get him out of F112 puddle pressure lol

hi mr riderz

hkriderz said:

Make f3 faster and slightly more range. (Or another better mid)
*F122 should not be safe cause then he's going to get a hitconfirmable safe 50 50.
Ex grenade given its old properties back. Slight pushback, plus 7.
2112, 11, and 11b3 tick throws work again.
Db4 in marksman and gunslinger faster, better hitbox and priority for a very awesome looking anti air.

Tbh it's been ages since I played outlaw I have no idea what he needs.

Only change I could think to marksman is not make shot minus on hit.

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11B3 tick throw still works
They won't make ex-sand plus 7 again with no push back since he has a 7f D1.

21122 said:

11B3 tick throw still works
They won't make ex-sand plus 7 again with no push back since he has a 7f D1.

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Oh I'm thinking of 11. And ex sand how it is is just blah. Maybe make it plus 5 no pushback like smoke

paul_blart_mc said:

hi mr riderz

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You found me

Give him mb hat spin in gunslinger

hkriderz said:

You found me

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i've found no one. they find me and who am i 2 u buddy?

paul_blart_mc said:

I jus wan see this Ron Blak DLC skin

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...Is that Django Unchained? I'll drop Takeda for that.

Hear me out on this. SInce outlaw is pretty much useless since Gunslinger does everything better, why not make db4 in Outlaw a restand and make him a vortex character? It would totally make Outlaw viable again.

paul_blart_mc said:

I jus wan see this Ron Blak DLC skin

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Hi Salty.

Xavier Marx said:

...Is that Django Unchained? I'll drop Takeda for that.

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yes it is aka Ron Blak

STRYKIE said:

Hi Salty.

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Do I know u sir? Oh and hi.

Sub-Zero ex iceball doesn't eat both shots of SO4.
There's a reason to choose outlaw over acidic alien.

hkriderz said:

*F122 should not be safe cause then he's going to get a hitconfirmable safe 50 50.
Ex grenade given its old properties back. Slight pushback, plus 7.

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...Am I missing something here?

Give him the ability to use his hat in every variation

I saw someone mention somewhere that they can make db4 restand but to do it meterless you can't use db4 twice in a combo , instead you have to mb it to restand if you use it more than once

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That would make Outlaw even more useless than he already is though.

dennycascade said:

...Am I missing something here?

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F13 isn't even safe (aside from Marksman who can make it safe)