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The very fact that some of you agree with this lawsuit is exactly what is wrong with this country, and why stupid lawsuits like this will continue. Regardless of what Sony "promised." This will have no effect on someone's quality of life.

If I bought something, that had false advertisement to which made me extremely unhappy, I would take it back for a refund. I would then never buy a product from that company again, boom, finished. The fact that there are lawyers out there, who's soul purpose is to just sue businesses for ridiculous things makes me sick. What makes me even more sick I think is knowing there are actual people out there that support this type of behavior.
 

TheSpore

Nurgle Chaos God of Death and Disease
The very fact that some of you agree with this lawsuit is exactly what is wrong with this country, and why stupid lawsuits like this will continue. Regardless of what Sony "promised." This will have no effect on someone's quality of life.

If I bought something, that had false advertisement to which made me extremely unhappy, I would take it back for a refund. I would then never buy a product from that company again, boom, finished. The fact that there are lawyers out there, who's soul purpose is to just sue businesses for ridiculous things makes me sick. What makes me even more sick I think is knowing there are actual people out there that support this type of behavior.
There is an issue with this take back for refund statement. In today's world software is non-refundable, digitally or physical, due to the ease of replication of the software, so most stores will not refund the money and unless there is a truly technical issue that makes the software un-functional there is no refund in the digital market as well.

I am not honestly defending his guy, truth be told he is above all else an idiot listening to the babbling of his lawyers ideas about a big pay off, since they see a possible case to be won. In all honesty this case isn't going anywhere. but straight to the dismiss pile. By all means this moron is no hero!!!

What this does do though is raise eyebrows in high places. For example these random false advertisement claims have been becoming very frequent since the release of A:CM and several other games prior, like the whole SFxT fiasco that happened when it came out. When enough people in the right place begin to take notice of things of this nature, then more red flags go up and suddenly these corporations are now facing new laws and legislation that forces them to be nicer to their customers. Now is this going to happen overnight, well no.

In the case of this guy if this is a law firm that honestly specializes cases like this, they no full well that they have no true case, but that it will grab people's attention, which really seems like this scenario here.
 
IMO a game company shouldn't have to write all possible resolution changes that can occur depending on what game mode you choose to play. Sadly, this is a real case that they have on their hands now.
 

Ray'sGoodLiquor

I don't care I'm not a competitive player anymore
What ever happened to just returning your games and not being a complete plebian boob?
Remember back when we had a 90 day return policy on electronics?
I'm not sure about electronics, but my first experience with not being able to return software was the release of Windows ME (millennium edition). My dad bought a copy and found that even though his secondary laptop met the minimum requirements, there was something that preventing it from installing properly. We returned it, and were told that they could no longer do a return on software that had it's packaging seals broken, but they could exchange it for the same product. We exchanged it for a new copy of Windows ME still in it's new packaging, walked to the second counter, and returned it for a full refund. Lol, I love my dad.
 

zerosebaz

What's the point of a random Krypt?
This is how I think this should go:

In the scenario he was right and the game was actually missadvertised, he should get the money he payed for the game, and maybe, if you want, arround 100$ more for having to get in the trouble to actually sue. The company would have to pay for his lawyer and then it would be fined for a big amount, probably bigger than 5 million. In case he lost he should have to pay for his lawyer only. This would prevent people sueing only to try and get an economical advantage, but would actually help to make companies stop this kind of behavior.

Still, I believe what many times happens during videogames development is that the sometimes you can make things work while it's just a small demo, but as the game gets bigger and bigger it proves to be unstable and graphics have to be toned down for the sake of playability. I'm not saying companies don't take advantage and make trailers look prettier, but that happens as well.
 
I don't see what's so funny about it. I mean if they promised 1080p or used high res to promote the game/mode and didn't deliver that's false advertising and it's about time that consumers do something about it.

I hope he wins this case and more people sue game companies for lying to players' faces. They need to stop this trend of showing pretty things you aren't really getting. Like severly toning down the graphics, promising exciting modes and features that end up being not even 1% of what was promised etc.

It's an annoying trend and it's becoming a real issue in the video game industry tbh. There needs to be a deterrent otherwise companies can just get away with any lie to sell their half assed product.
Or suckers can stop pre-ordering games like dumbasses.
 

Gurpwnder

Saikyo Student
While I personally don't care for graphics in the slightest, hell I actually PREFER what Sony's doing by cutting the graphics for smoother gameplay, I'd just like to point a couple of things out.

We are customers in a gaming industry that is selling us a new Aliens game, and selling the entire cast of the movie as pre-order DLC.
Furthermore, Gamestop is planning on actually 'working' with game companies so that they can decide during development which parts of the game to cut out as pre-order DLC.

We are constantly being lied to / manipluated by gaming publishers about many things, so if this lawsuit can be used as an example for other gaming companies to step up and be more honest, I'm all for it.

(note, I got most of this information from Jim Sterling of Jimquisition)
 

Gurpwnder

Saikyo Student
@ Eldriken

Why not add a poll to the thread seeing if people agree / disagree with what's happening?
Also, if you do so, could you please change the title to something more neutral?
 

TheSpore

Nurgle Chaos God of Death and Disease
While I personally don't care for graphics in the slightest, hell I actually PREFER what Sony's doing by cutting the graphics for smoother gameplay, I'd just like to point a couple of things out.

We are customers in a gaming industry that is selling us a new Aliens game, and selling the entire cast of the movie as pre-order DLC.
Furthermore, Gamestop is planning on actually 'working' with game companies so that they can decide during development which parts of the game to cut out as pre-order DLC.

We are constantly being lied to / manipluated by gaming publishers about many things, so if this lawsuit can be used as an example for other gaming companies to step up and be more honest, I'm all for it.

(note, I got most of this information from Jim Sterling of Jimquisition)
I have to agree here and most of it is very true. The industry has a problem right now, which is the lack of accountability and restrictions against them that forces them to stay compliant with pleasing a customer. Such as the DLC nonsense we hear about, especially say Capcom's greatest example I talk about all the time SFxT. Close to 30% of the data on the disk was locked away and rationed out to the players, fully developed content mind you. Even now after that content put up for sale the game flashes it in your face on the character select screen. When if say you bought a car and then once you tried to turn the radio on a sign would appear saying sorry you need to pay extra to use this feature would never fly. True we can all agree to stop buying the product, or create random petitions against the practices, vote a company as the worst two years in a row, make their BBB rating drop (which did happen after SFxT released), stop pre-ordering, and everything in between. Unfortunately we are a small percentage of the casual crowd that will buy the product. You have to take into account the average consumer that just wants a fun entertaining game to play, or the ever loyal fanboys that just have to have the next game in a series. The vast majority are not as educated as many of the gamer population out there. Even now I have to explain to my 6 year old why I won't by certain games that he just wants so badly, but most parents aren't educated either and will buy the product simply, because their lil one wants it. It is amazing how many people I knew that were up and ready to buy an X1 the day it was announced before all the 180s that were made on it, or how many friends I knew that just were ready to blindly buy Diablo 3 when it first released and did not even know there was an always online DRM issue or a micro-transaction auction house in the game.

Right now these companies are just allowed to do whatever they want with their product and lately it has been a huge case of misleading the buyers, from A:CM, to other trailers demanding that a pre-order be placed to receive a full experience. Look at Watchdogs, yes the game is good and by all means it felt very complete and looked really good, but did it have the look it was promised to have by the publisher when the gameplay was originally shown to the public. Hell just look at how Ubi-Soft handles their PC versions of these games and they just completely get away with it.

Its actions like these that start to get public attention and begins to paint a negative image in the public's eye, which in turn tends to lead to lower sells on a product. It gets the ball rolling, sure it starts with this very absurd claim that does seem pointless and odd, but in the eyes of this customer and many others, hey the box did say 1080p not 1080i or what have you, but when one sues others follow and then sooner later there exists a large number of these cases and it begins to pick up attention by higher authorities.

Truth be told people need to stop taking to twitter and bitching, making vlogs that are whining about the issues to expose things, or trolling web-sites and Steam game tags. The way to do this though is honestly start notifying people who can make differences in the way these things by exposing to your Congressman, or the FTC. If enough people began to voice their concerns and issues to the proper people, instead of online forums and twitter, instead consumers have to voice these issue to the correct people.

Companies will never behave and will continue to push the envelope further and further until finally rules, regulations, and laws pressed upon them to behave, where they will wind up facing consequences for their actions. It is the reason why today laws exist that disallow an employee from being fired for breaking their arm at work, or why labor conditions now have standards to focus on the safety of the workers, because at one time enough people raised concerns to the authorities and governments that are suppose to protect the people. I am all for free enterprise and companies having freedom to sell and produce the products they want, but if say the prescription drug and medical system still operated the way it did in early years, doctors would still be prescribing cocaine to patients or performing questionable surgeries. Laws, rules and regulations exist to police these companies from doing what they want and its literally getting time now for the Gaming Industry to start getting attacked by stricter regulations, it is a young industry that has grown far beyond what many had ever expected to and if things aren't changed then its current state is only going worsen more and more.

Sorry I got a lil carried away :)
 

True Grave

Giving The Gift Of Graves
His case is null and void because they said, "Could display" in 1080p. It doesn't mean they're obligated to do so. Now if they said, "Will be" then he MIGHT have a case. Either way this is stupid and a cry for money and attention. God bless 'merica!
 

Killphil

A prop on the stage of life.
On the back of the case: HD video output and it says 1080p.

In the small fine print it says: Video output in full 1080p requires 1080p native display.

There is nothing else on the case that says anything else about the video display.

That being said, isn't 920x1080p or whatever the numbers are for multiplayer still considered 1080p because there are indeed 1080 horizontal lines?
 

Gurpwnder

Saikyo Student

HellblazerHawkman

Confused Thanagarian
On the back of the case: HD video output and it says 1080p.

In the small fine print it says: Video output in full 1080p requires 1080p native display.

There is nothing else on the case that says anything else about the video display.

That being said, isn't 920x1080p or whatever the numbers are for multiplayer still considered 1080p because there are indeed 1080 horizontal lines?
I don't give a fuck about monitor specs to be able to give you a proper explanation, but to my understanding, yes I believe it's still considered 1080p (vaguely remembering stuff said by Guerilla games when this first broke)
 

TheSpore

Nurgle Chaos God of Death and Disease
@TheSpore

No worries, it was an entertaining read.

To add on to your rant, many companies like Ubisoft often 'apologize' for their 'mistakes' to try and regain some trust from the people, and it unfortunately works a lot of the time. I'll stop trying to paraphrase Jimquisition and link you to a video instead which has to do what I'm talking about.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/9516-EA-Ubisoft-A-Cycle-of-Perpetration-and-Apology
Ubi is the only company I have honestly felt has at least taken steps to make better of the BS they try to pull. EA on ther hand will piss on your leg and tell you its raining and Capcom just doesn't even believe in the courtesy reach around.
 

Gurpwnder

Saikyo Student
Ubi i the only company I have honestly felt has at least taken steps to make better of the BS they try to pull. EA on ther hand will piss on your leg and tell you its raining and Capcom just doesn't even believe in the courtesy reach around.
Really? Considering the number of questionable decisions in recent history like UPlay, no female Assassins in AC:U, the whole Far Cry 4 cover spectacle, the Watch Dogs graphic downgrade shtick, why the strong belief in Ubi?
 

TheSpore

Nurgle Chaos God of Death and Disease
Really? Considering the number of questionable decisions in recent history like UPlay, no female Assassins in AC:U, the whole Far Cry 4 cover spectacle, the Watch Dogs graphic downgrade shtick, why the strong belief in Ubi?
Well no female assassins in Unity I chuck up to artistic direction, who am I to question there artistic direction, its their game to develop, U-Play, can't comment much there since I never had any personal experience with it, but I have heard its atrocious, Watchdogs downgrade stuff, well I got nothing there that's BS and false advertising IMO. What I mean they backtracked a lot on things though to try and show the customer they acre, like removing some of the DRMs they used and several other things.
 

PaletteSwap

Misanthropiate
I don't see what's so funny about it. I mean if they promised 1080p or used high res to promote the game/mode and didn't deliver that's false advertising and it's about time that consumers do something about it.

I hope he wins this case and more people sue game companies for lying to players' faces. They need to stop this trend of showing pretty things you aren't really getting. Like severly toning down the graphics, promising exciting modes and features that end up being not even 1% of what was promised etc.

It's an annoying trend and it's becoming a real issue in the video game industry tbh. There needs to be a deterrent otherwise companies can just get away with any lie to sell their half assed product.
I somewhat agree with you, but I think the best way to do away with these dishonest dirtbags is to boycott them. A lawsuit is pocket change for most of these companies. A mass boycott would, however, be a FALCON PAUNCHHH to their greedy dicks.