Do you want Injustice to be balanced?

[DGOD PSYCHO]

THTB
PND i2 Gaug3
UsedForGlue

Probably the only 3 players I've seen so far that actually understand the way the game functions.

yes and everyone else doesn't know anything because you've spoken with everyone in the community and heard their opinions. its a little funny you say that, usedforglue is like your best friend. Lol. Im all ears for anyone who has to say anything. not just 3 of my best friends.

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

yes and everyone else doesn't know anything because you've spoken with everyone in the community and heard their opinions.

A vast majority of players don't know what they're doing, you're right. It's something I abuse with WW cause I can

 

[DGOD PSYCHO]

A vast majority of players don't know what they're doing, you're right. It's something I abuse with WW cause I can

theres still a 20% higher up in the game regardless.
I've been abusing stuff with flash because No one knows what to do.
But i completely understand that once people figure how hes blow uppable, every string is at risk of being punished. EVERY one of them. EVER single one of them. and that is dangerous knowledge.

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

theres still a 20% higher up in the game regardless.
I've been abusing stuff with flash because No one knows what to do.
But i completely understand that once people figure how hes blow uppable, every string is at risk of being punished. EVERY one of them. EVER single one of them. and that is dangerous knowledge.

Its not just character specific stuff, it's how the game works fundamentally. I think it'll be alot more obvious, give it a year or 2.

 

[DGOD PSYCHO]

Its not just character specific stuff, it's how the game works fundamentally. I think it'll be alot more obvious, give it a year or 2.

Dude no way. we can do this within 4-6 months if everyone is willing to expose the broken parts about the game if nobody will then I will. I will do it and I don't care what is said about me.

 

[Cossner]

DGOD PSYCHO
I think you must have a record.
How many times have you been banned? Like 10? And you keep coming back? I think everyone agrees, you don't know how fighting games work. I remember back in late 2012, you didn't even know what counter pokes were, and now you're trying to tell us what needs to be buffed and nerfed.

To quote my good friend African American Adam, why do you insist?

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

Dude no way. we can do this within 4-6 months if everyone is willing to expose the broken parts about the game if nobody will then I will. I will do it and I don't care what is said about me.

No, you can tell people to do something, they wont learn it untill they experience it. It was CLEARLY obvious in MK9 in the change of jump happy playstyles and poor spacing or lack of interupting strings.

The game has to play out its natural course, I don't know EVERYTHING about this game, and neither do you, so its not possible to just throw everybody into the future meta game immediately.

Why do you have to turn every topic into something about yourself btw?

 

[SLy]

A lot of people is going against time for this game lol.. They dont want to wait and let some mechanics intended or unintended play out.

 

[Briggs8417]

Somebody shut this thread down please. I'm tired of all this let's nerf the game talk. WHY CAN'T WE JUST HAVE FUN?! ;__;

 

[MagicMan357]

there is barely anything that needs to changed, problem is people blow and dont want to level up. Thats basically the mk community in a nutshell

 

[ColdBoreMK23]

Nerf the Flash.

 

[DGOD PSYCHO]

A F0xy Grampa
This is easy to understand. If you know what you're talking about then this is between me and you and nobody else.
Flashes gimmicks.
Every single mid hit he has is duckable. Literally. Even b22 can be ducked with certain hit boxes.

Strings to be back dashable?
B22, back dashable (+3 on block???)
D1D2 (nuetral, back dashable)
F213 (back dashable) +10 on block.

Punishing those back dashes..
B22 you can jump in for a punish, unblockable. but, is this really practical? think about this. What if they don't jump in. JI2 is -4 for flash and can be interrupted. In the elite game and studying flash, flashes jump ins are worthless. and if done on a wrong read it can cost a full combo punish.
D1D2, well, if blocked low its nuetral. it puts flash at a higher risk, lightning charge is too unsafe and everything he has is back dashable.
F213, back dashable. If going for lightning charge, it is blocked, -21, or you go COMEPLETELY through their body due to invincibility frames. F213 is also duckable during 2. also, F21 is -26 on block, and the next move on start up is 20. Meaning, you can full combo interrupt this, which you can.

Getting in
Dash blocking is easy, but the fact flash has to take 8-10% chip damage before getting in is outrageous. using projectile phase is almost... impossible. you can't react to do it, you have to know its coming.
Flash has a chip damage disadvantage. all of his specials are unusable on block. and still do shit chips.
Most characters get good chips off of projectiles, well flash has none.
to make up for that you can give flash low chip damage on normal moves, and give him correct jails.
1-3% chip on is strings is very fair.
Making his lightning charge safe, fair because he has to chase you like a dog, and he can't get any super big combo damage off of it like killer frost with her slide. plus, it is interruptable on reaction so even still flash players must think twice before using it.

Appropriate buffs?
Give him a good inside jailing game by increasing frame advantage, or less pushback.
Make some of his moves safe.
give him a little bit of chip on normals because of his lack of special move use.
Make lightning charge safe.
Give him a nice anti air.
Projectile phase to be used on reaction.

with these buffs, give flash damage nerfs.
Nerfs:
Nerf all of his 50%'s down to 36-42%.
Even with this idea of the flash, you know that there are still flaws and punishable ways. RMS stance is unsafe. that is a perfect example. you can do this. I know you can.
right now what flash is he has to kill himself to get in, and then he is at an disadvantage, even on rushdown.

 

[PND i2 Gaug3]

THTB
PND i2 Gaug3
UsedForGlue

Probably the only 3 players I've seen so far that actually understand the way the game functions.

Other than REO & Brady of course.

Who the fuck are you to acknowledge me, you waste of space.

 

[Tim Static]

Everyone expects MK9 with IGAU, and no one is letting the game breath.

TAKE A DEEP BREATH.

Also, read CrimsonShadow 's thread: http://www.testyourmight.com/threads/do-people-understand-the-vanilla-versions-of-games.32542/

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

Everybody can backdash most things in this game, its a mechanic of the game, look @ WW or NW frametraps. But every character usually has options to deal with backdashes as well.

You're looking at frame advantage the wrong way too, it doesn't gaurantee you an option, it broadens your options.

 

[Red Reaper]

THTB
PND i2 Gaug3
UsedForGlue

Probably the only 3 players I've seen so far that actually understand the way the game functions.

Other than REO & Brady of course.

I think you underestimate too many people... It's funny because I would sometimes disagree with people when they underestimated you in MK. I kould tell you understood things just by what you said in this game it's not as klear because most of the discussions are less specific. I think quite a bit of So Cal players understand the game. Aris, Krayzie, and Wonder_Chef to name a few.

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

I think you underestimate too many people... It's funny because I would sometimes disagree with people when they underestimated you in MK. I kould tell you understood things just by what you said in this game it's not as klear because most of the discussions are less specific. I think quite a bit of So Cal players understand the game. Aris, Krayzie, and Wonder_Chef to name a few.

Yeah but look at how I worded it, players I have seen so far.

Havent seen Aris, Krayzie or WC yet. I know WC is a smart guy for breaking shit down though.

 

[DGOD PSYCHO]

Everybody can backdash most things in this game, its a mechanic of the game, look @ WW or NW frametraps. But every character usually has options to deal with backdashes as well.

You're looking at frame advantage the wrong way too, it doesn't gaurantee you an option, it broadens your options.

flash can't deal with the back dashes, is what im trying to explain to you.

 

[MagicMan357]

flash can't deal with the back dashes, is what im trying to explain to you.

on reaction he can headbutt charge

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

flash can't deal with the back dashes, is what im trying to explain to you.

Goin for dinner now, when I come back I'll have a look.

 

[DGOD PSYCHO]

on reaction he can headbutt charge

skip to 2:54, no he cannot.

 

[MagicMan357]

skip to 2:54, no he cannot.

I knew that, i shouldnt have said on reaction but you can punish it

 

[Red Reaper]

flash can't deal with the back dashes, is what im trying to explain to you.

He kan. It just sucks that he has to end his pressure in order to do so...

 

[DGOD PSYCHO]

I knew that, i shouldnt have said on reaction but you can punish it

it's not practical that move is negative, on a misread thats a full combo. but please that was only between me and f0xy.

 

[DGOD PSYCHO]

He kan. It just sucks that he has to end his pressure in order to do so...

its not even practical that he has to make reads to do that either. that can result in huge mistakes on mis reads.