Should dominant characters get nerfed? Or should the other characters get buffed to match them?

[xWEBSx]

I know that, my point being that mobility is what allows zoning to be a tool to be used occasionally. Of course youre not gonna shoot a continuous stream of projectiles, you shoot based on your opponents reaction and movement patterns. But the problem in Injustice is that getting to the zoners requires a ton more effort then they put out, and some characters have no way of dealing with it effectively. Add that to the fact that some of the best zoners in the game have an extremely good close range ones as well.

My fix would be increased mobility.

I disagree

Spacing is more important than mobility in the Zoning game.

 

[ApertureBlack]

I disagree

Spacing is more important than mobility in the Zoning game.

Could you explain? In Injustice gameplay how zoning isn't heavily rewarded?

 

[Doombawkz]

Honestly, I'd love it if Bane got to be as good as Supes or as safe as Aguahombre.
But eh...

 

[xWEBSx]

Could you explain? In Injustice gameplay how zoning isn't heavily rewarded?

Sure..

Deathstroke.. His mobility means nothing, his opponents mobility means nothing.. Deathstroke using his guns needs to be aware of his space and his opponents space. Which is why a smart DS player will not shoot rifle when opponent is under a certain distance from him. If DS pulls the trigger over, and over and over disregarding his opponents spacing, the opponent will be at close range, blocking his final gun shots and smashing DS with the characters hardest punish during DS rifle recovery.

 

[ApertureBlack]

Honestly, I'd love it if Bane got to be as good as Supes or as safe as Aguahombre.
But eh...

They really need to fix his venom running out between rounds/during supers, half his meter burns having no use, and removing the stupid damage taken debuff on venom.

 

[RYX]

Interactables help zoners more then rushdowns by a fairly large margain mate.

Really not so considering it helps momentum immensely in the right situations. Not to mention most get a 50/50 off a hard knockdown.

Just gotta control it better

 

[Doombawkz]

They really need to fix his venom running out between rounds/during supers, half his meter burns having no use, and removing the stupid damage taken debuff on venom.

Meh...
I mean we already have 1 bar 103% combos and whatnot... I just kinda want an easier time getting in. ._.

 

[DuskAlloy]

Meh...
I mean we already have 1 bar 103% combos and whatnot... I just kinda want an easier time getting in. ._.

How would you feel about his charge being able to be cancelled any time during the running animation?

 

[ApertureBlack]

Meh...
I mean we already have 1 bar 103% combos and whatnot... I just kinda want an easier time getting in. ._.

Allow for charge cancel into specials or something.

Grundy has WCC we should get RCC.

 

[xWEBSx]

Here we go again.. Can we not turn this into a 3 page Bane discussion please? Last I checked he has his on threads like everyone else right?

 

[ApertureBlack]

Here we go again.. Can we not turn this into a 3 page Bane discussion please? Last I checked he has his on threads like everyone else right?

Non dominant character = Bane
People suggesting Buffs for a non dominant character in a thread called "Should dominant characters get buffed? Or should the other characters get buffed to match them?" seems pretty fine to me.

 

[RYX]

Here we go again.. Can we not turn this into a 3 page Bane discussion please? Last I checked he has his on threads like everyone else right?

There's even a dedicated thread to buffing him, lol

 

[DuskAlloy]

I would also like to bring to attention that easy to use does not equal dominating

 

[RYX]

I would also like to bring to attention that easy to use does not equal dominating

I dunno, most of the easy to use people are dominating right now.

 

[DuskAlloy]

I dunno, most of the easy to use people are dominating right now.

Batman and aquaman, but are there any others?

 

[MashPotatoTower]

Buff em all
Give em all AAs I say

 

[Circus]

Could you explain? In Injustice gameplay how zoning isn't heavily rewarded?

I could. Lets say you are fighting Deathstoke.

You are full screen and he shoots a low shot. You get a free dash forward into block. Now you are closer.
This is where some people just go crazy and want to jump forward or dash AGAIN and that is not the answer.

You slowly walk forward until you bait another gunshot and block it. This is where you need to be careful though because he Deathstroke predicts your going to dash forward again he could not shoot another shot but instead get a free jump in against characters with bad anti-airs. This is why it's important to know that at a certain distance the absolute safest thing to do is just keep walking yourself in.

At close'ish distance(or further with some characters with fast advancing moves) if he tries shooting you could punish it on block and could even predict it and get a jump in yourself.

The only zoner that literally destroys some characters is Cyborg right now. Deathstroke has all the tools to win but he is definitely nothing any character can't deal with, honestly. Even if you are the slowest snail character, you might take a hefty amount of chip damage, but as long as you have patience and know your spacing, it's nothing to worry too much about.

 

[ApertureBlack]

I would also like to bring to attention that easy to use does not equal dominating

While that is true, typically the more unreliable a character is on execution, the less youll see of em and the lower they will drop.

 

[RYX]

Batman and aquaman, but are there any others?

Superman, Green Lantern. killer Frost, Doomsday, Deathstroke...

 

[DuskAlloy]

While that is true, typically the more unreliable a character is on execution, the less youll see of em and the lower they will drop.

It really depends on the character potential, and tiers list do not include how easy they are to handle, I thought they were for potential on much options they have and matchups

 

[Critical-Limit]

I don't see the logic in this

My point being that Zoning is bad for a Fighting games longitivity, most top tier characters are great at zoning, and interactables favor zoners more then any other type of characters. The spectators make the sport, currently, InJustice is like if Football had a game, but one player had infinite stamina. Sure he could go for a goal, but he chooses the safer option of just running around with the ball until everyone gets tired and then gets a guaranteed goal. That would be boring as hell to watch.

While I can find zoning entertaining to watch, And I'm fine with zoning being top tier, as long as there is an answer.

I love this analogy, as it easily explains why zoning is bad for your average joe to watch.

 

[Doombawkz]

How would you feel about his charge being able to be cancelled any time during the running animation?

Shallow and pedantic.

Honestly I'd rather it be cancelable in the way his f.2 is, where we can dash cancel the start-up.
The parry potential alone coming from that would make it more than worth it.

 

[ApertureBlack]

I could. Lets say you are fighting Deathstoke.
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My point isn't that zoning is unbeatable, its that its too rewarding for the level of thought put into it while the other character has to chip through cause crappy mobility and no dash cancels.

 

[DuskAlloy]

Superman, Green Lantern. killer Frost, Doomsday, Deathstroke...

Superman- Yes, Green Lantern- Dunno KF- Dunno Doomsday- has he placed well in tournies? Deathstroke- I dont believe his is dominating

 

[ApertureBlack]

Superman- Yes, Green Lantern- Dunno KF- Dunno Doomsday- has he placed well in tournies? Deathstroke- I dont believe his is dominating

He is, its just for every good DS, there is a layer of scrubs 50 players thick.