Pfft. Scrubs...Cage in A-List. Even the best ones still don't jail 100% of the time.
Yeah you'd think they could get it by nowPfft. Scrubs...
But OP is talking about learning curve, not necessarily difficult. Yes run cancels that jail consistently is a technical challenge, but once you've got it down where does the curve go?Yeah you'd think they could get it by now
But seriously if we are talking about which character is hardest to use at their absolute peak potential I think A-List is a good contender.
He also doesn't have a traditional 50/50 so a new player would not only need to master the cancels, but be more creative in their offense. I'm not downplaying cage, but to take advantage of his "S tier-ness" people will have to put in much more time.But OP is talking about learning curve, not necessarily difficult. Yes run cancels that jail consistently is a technical challenge, but once you've got it down where does the curve go?
I get what you're saying and maybe because it has been the good part of 10 months of experience that is blinding me... I really don't think A-List is hard to learn. Do the cancels, practice the jails, apply staggers and hey presto. You're playing A-list. You'll get used to using the cancels once you play a long set with a training partner.Yeah you'd think they could get it by now
But seriously if we are talking about which character is hardest to use at their absolute peak potential I think A-List is a good contender.
I see your point @Dankster Morgan. Personally tho I don't see how enforcing your opponent to respect d4 to open them up for OH starter is that creative.
I mean more creative than say Bojutsu KJ. Maybe I misunderstood the thread, but I kind of thought it was geared towards a new player. I don't have access to a very good player at all times so I see your guys's points. I don't think any character is super hard to learn. Another contender could be CSZ: very hard to use in the neutral, high execution bnbs that will be tougher for inexperienced players, low damage so you straight up need to hit them more, no launching armor. Just kind of the bane of a new players existence.I get what you're saying and maybe because it has been the good part of 10 months of experience that is blinding me... I really don't think A-List is hard to learn. Do the cancels, practice the jails, apply staggers and hey presto. You're playing A-list. You'll get used to using the cancels once you play a long set with a training partner.
I don't find the HW cancels too difficult but I agree otherwise.Steepest learning curve is your run cancel characters, no question. D'Vorah, Kang, Jax, Johnny etc
I doubt I'm alone on this, but even if I am, I don't feel Kotal fits the bill at all. I personally don't feel he has a steep learning curve in the slightest. He's got a very basic (although very good) set of tools to learn and there aren't too many to have to worry about, so it's less to have to remember during the process of learning.I think Kotal is a kontender. He's got plenty of good buttons and easy damage for the low level player to still do decently well. But if you want to take him to a competitive environment you really need to be on point, and doing that can be hard when you have very few mix ups or lots of gaps. On paper Kotal never seems to be that much better than the cast, but the skill ceiling on the character is just so high some match ups feel a lot worse than they are.
Lackey might just be worse, not having any kind of range outside of d1 means any whiffs are deadly, and getting stuck fullscreen is the fastest way to lose. the mix ups are fuzzyable or require commitment to a special, most of which are punishable. Timing the armour and invincibility on bf3 is hard, but once you get it down you feel like a god, literally ignoring projectiles for a punish that leads into a Torrvex set up, or armouring through a gap for no meter.
Dont forget hellfire....Steepest learning curve is your run cancel characters, no question. D'Vorah, Kang, Jax, Johnny etc
AgreedDont forget hellfire....
But this is again only execution wise. Learning curve may also be difficult from a gameplay strategy perspective as well.
You might wanna take into consideration that this question might have been based on a completely new player. I know I can learn JC easy, but how easy would it be for a new comer?I get what you're saying and maybe because it has been the good part of 10 months of experience that is blinding me... I really don't think A-List is hard to learn. Do the cancels, practice the jails, apply staggers and hey presto. You're playing A-list. You'll get used to using the cancels once you play a long set with a training partner.
Completely agree, to play Cage at his peak your spacing has to be on point, he's not only one of the strongest pressure characters, he's one of the strongest space control characters too imo. If your F3 spacing isn't on point you can't really take advantage of this and will miss out on tons of damage.He also doesn't have a traditional 50/50 so a new player would not only need to master the cancels, but be more creative in their offense. I'm not downplaying cage, but to take advantage of his "S tier-ness" people will have to put in much more time.