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Who in your opinion is the best character in the entire game ?

Who is the best character in the entire game?


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Wigy

There it is...
CASSIE CAGE OMG NOT EVEN A QUESTION IMO.
(i use the word broke loosely to mean really good / damn near broke)
Reasons:
.flip kick is irritating
.exflip kick is broke(every time i say what is life i'm referring to this shit right here)
.just found out exnutpunch has invincibility frames like of course she needs it(hopefully onlyy on wake up)

.true 50/50.
-made safe with a bar (what is life)
-into vortex with a bar
-40% in corner
-41% into vortex with a bar in corner

.insane advancing string that moves 2.5 of her body
-can be made plus for no meter
-it's 10frame on start up.

.fastest b*tch in the game.
-6frame safe wakeup(what is life)
-5frame punisher
--that's zero on block(or -6 if you suck at hit confirming)
-(what is life)
-6 frame pokes (d1 and d3)
-5 frame jump in punch and a kung lao like jump in punch that's faster than his

.stupid instant air guns for even better space control oh and they do 2.5 percent when you block them.
.5% guaranteed SAFE chip damage string with mid range(long ass fuck when compared to lui lui's safe chip strings but eh wtvs)
.OH AND HER HITBOX MY GOD HER HITBOX. remember when she could duck block kano's knives? or the fact that jax's only buff was basically because her hitbox made her one of his worsts match ups ever. Or that quan chi has to run cancel to hit his chip string on her. LIke was is this character WHAT IS LIFE!
oh wait wait i forgot to mention SHE FLIPS YOU OFF AT THE LOADING SCREEN.
AND TAKES A SCREENSHOT OFF YOUR DEATH
so nrs please nerf her frames, hitbox ,attitude and remove flipkick from this game.
also @Pig Of The Hut please don't ask nrs to nerf her cus they never listen to your requests for nerfs/buffs:D(R.I.P kenshi) but seriously WHY DOES SHE FLIP ME OFF LIKE I KNOW I'M GONNA GET FUCKED I DON'T NEED YOU TELLING ME


...in case you couldn't tell she's my training partner's main so i have a lot of salt in my veins right now.
She doesnt have a 5 f punisher or 6f pokes i duno if this is a joke post or what..

All of her + moves have punishable gaps
 

MrProfDrPepper

NRS, Guilty Gear, and KI, the holy trinity
Give me some of this dirt,because I can't find It and no downplaying whatever dirt he has can be shutdown and i would rather fight Jax than Lao,tanya,shinnok or predator all day everyday
The said insane combos in the corner, the corner carry, how nearly everything is safe, he has insanely good pressure, his zoning isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be in fact I believe it is actually pretty damn good, not to mention he also has pretty good armor. :/ I have no fear of facing anyone in the cast, hell lasher vs. Jax is in my opinion a 5/5 match up. But how he literally loses to absolutely no one is what makes him top 1 to me. And yes I know his overhead dash punch is unsafe as fuck but it is part of a 50/50 no? As is you have to guess? And as I recall the low option is safe if blocked? I honestly don't see a down side with jax, he has tools to fit every situation, which lao and shinnok also have as well to give credit where it is due, but I don't see any down side, and I know you can low profile some of his strings but that has to be on a hard read since you can't exactly react to it due to the speed of his strings. Sooooo yeah there are all the reasons why I think jax is the best character in the game.
 

freerf245

11 11 11 11
The said insane combos in the corner, the corner carry, how nearly everything is safe, he has insanely good pressure, his zoning isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be in fact I believe it is actually pretty damn good, not to mention he also has pretty good armor. :/ I have no fear of facing anyone in the cast, hell lasher vs. Jax is in my opinion a 5/5 match up. But how he literally loses to absolutely no one is what makes him top 1 to me. And yes I know his overhead dash punch is unsafe as fuck but it is part of a 50/50 no? As is you have to guess? And as I recall the low option is safe if blocked? I honestly don't see a down side with jax, he has tools to fit every situation, which lao and shinnok also have as well to give credit where it is due, but I don't see any down side, and I know you can low profile some of his strings but that has to be on a hard read since you can't exactly react to it due to the speed of his strings. Sooooo yeah there are all the reasons why I think jax is the best character in the game.
Heavy weapons zoning can be frustrating but his counter-zoning is balls. The start up of all of his projectiles in every variation is extremely slow. His main combo starter is unsafe, while Lao, Tanya, and Quan can all hit confirm for their damage. Midscreen meterless damage is some of the worst in the game. Committing to b3 in pumped up or wrestler is 100% unsafe due to the gap and the b3 is -14. He's annoying, yes, but certainly not the best character in the game.
 

Kingshootahz

Ain't nobody trilla than shootah.
The said insane combos in the corner, the corner carry, how nearly everything is safe, he has insanely good pressure, his zoning isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be in fact I believe it is actually pretty damn good, not to mention he also has pretty good armor. :/ I have no fear of facing anyone in the cast, hell lasher vs. Jax is in my opinion a 5/5 match up. But how he literally loses to absolutely no one is what makes him top 1 to me. And yes I know his overhead dash punch is unsafe as fuck but it is part of a 50/50 no? As is you have to guess? And as I recall the low option is safe if blocked? I honestly don't see a down side with jax, he has tools to fit every situation, which lao and shinnok also have as well to give credit where it is due, but I don't see any down side, and I know you can low profile some of his strings but that has to be on a hard read since you can't exactly react to it due to the speed of his strings. Sooooo yeah there are all the reasons why I think jax is the best character in the game.
I see your point and I would love to call Jax the best but the blenders the top 5 can put you in midscreen AND corner makes it ridiculous and yes Jax has good pressure and 50/50 so so do the others and the rewards from all aspects such as reversals punishes are crazy.

Edit:Also ain't shit you gotta respect from Jax if he's on the floor then he has like 2 options meterless and 4 metered 2 of which just require you neutral duck or block high 1 is grab and the other is block and pray.
 

Scott The Scot

Where there is smoke, there is cancer.
CASSIE CAGE OMG NOT EVEN A QUESTION IMO.
(i use the word broke loosely to mean really good / damn near broke)
Reasons:
.flip kick is irritating
.exflip kick is broke(every time i say what is life i'm referring to this shit right here)
.just found out exnutpunch has invincibility frames like of course she needs it(hopefully onlyy on wake up)

.true 50/50.
-made safe with a bar (what is life)
-into vortex with a bar
-40% in corner
-41% into vortex with a bar in corner

.insane advancing string that moves 2.5 of her body
-can be made plus for no meter
-it's 10frame on start up.

.fastest b*tch in the game.
-6frame safe wakeup(what is life)
-5frame punisher
--that's zero on block(or -6 if you suck at hit confirming)
-(what is life)
-6 frame pokes (d1 and d3)
-5 frame jump in punch and a kung lao like jump in punch that's faster than his

.stupid instant air guns for even better space control oh and they do 2.5 percent when you block them.
.5% guaranteed SAFE chip damage string with mid range(long ass fuck when compared to lui lui's safe chip strings but eh wtvs)
.OH AND HER HITBOX MY GOD HER HITBOX. remember when she could duck block kano's knives? or the fact that jax's only buff was basically because her hitbox made her one of his worsts match ups ever. Or that quan chi has to run cancel to hit his chip string on her. LIke was is this character WHAT IS LIFE!
oh wait wait i forgot to mention SHE FLIPS YOU OFF AT THE LOADING SCREEN.
AND TAKES A SCREENSHOT OFF YOUR DEATH
so nrs please nerf her frames, hitbox ,attitude and remove flipkick from this game.
also @Pig Of The Hut please don't ask nrs to nerf her cus they never listen to your requests for nerfs/buffs:D(R.I.P kenshi) but seriously WHY DOES SHE FLIP ME OFF LIKE I KNOW I'M GONNA GET FUCKED I DON'T NEED YOU TELLING ME


...in case you couldn't tell she's my training partner's main so i have a lot of salt in my veins right now.
You're salty because you clearly don't know anything about Cassie.
 

MrProfDrPepper

NRS, Guilty Gear, and KI, the holy trinity
Heavy weapons zoning can be frustrating but his counter-zoning is balls. The start up of all of his projectiles in every variation is extremely slow. His main combo starter is unsafe, while Lao, Tanya, and Quan can all hit confirm for their damage. Midscreen meterless damage is some of the worst in the game. Committing to b3 in pumped up or wrestler is 100% unsafe due to the gap and the b3 is -14. He's annoying, yes, but certainly not the best character in the game.
His starter can become safe if you special cancel it with his projectile considering how it is plus 8, instead of counter zoning there is always advancing armor which he has by the way, his corner carry is godlike he doesn't need good midscreen damage, you need to spend meter to get around that gap, etc. Etc.
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
Question: Does my answer have to be accurate, or can I just pull a 1.03 "Bane Bane herp derp" like I used to?
 
I wouldn't say Lao controls the pace of every match, but I also wouldn't deny he's the best.

A typical tempest player would get rekt by a good GM/Kitana/Sorcerer/Liu for example.
maybe in the future when we see players improve then it will happen more for sure. And typical Laos yeh. Then there's you!!! Lol beast mode
 

MrProfDrPepper

NRS, Guilty Gear, and KI, the holy trinity
I see your point and I would love to call Jax the best but the blenders the top 5 can put you in midscreen AND corner makes it ridiculous and yes Jax has good pressure and 50/50 so so do the others and the rewards from all aspects such as reversals punishes are crazy.
Yeah but no one gets the damage like jax does in the corner from one wrong guess, and let's be honest, that is essentially where the game is spent most the time with jax because of his godlike corner carry, he is the master of the corner, and that is an important place to be master of. No one can match his damage, his utility, the wide variety of ways to keep you there, in the corner, now all that specifically in the corner, that paired with the corner carry makes me believe he is that good, among the other things I stated, out of all the things the top 5 does, I believe jax does it best
 

Undergroundepict

I am like the blue rose
Yeah but no one gets the damage like jax does in the corner from one wrong guess, and let's be honest, that is essentially where the game is spent most the time with jax because of his godlike corner carry, he is the master of the corner, and that is an important place to be master of. No one can match his damage, his utility, the wide variety of ways to keep you there, in the corner, now all that specifically in the corner, that paired with the corner carry makes me believe he is that good, among the other things I stated, out of all the things the top 5 does, I believe jax does it best

TBH, while Jax has a lot of safe moves and plus frames, his game ultimately revolves around his incredibly unsafe Overhead Dash Punch (-17). If you want to get that big damage with Jax, you need to use this move, and unless you hitconfirm off of f21, it is always going to be a guess.

We all know how low profilable his normals are. Heavy Weapons rockets are -20, fyi. His energy wave in Pumped Up and Wrestler is +7, which is fucking awesome, but he can be poked out of any string he cancels into it except S3 and S4 (both highs). Which ultimately leads to more guessing, which is pretty much the opposite of safe.

I am not trying to sound like I am downplaying here. Jax is a top 10 character almost for sure, but the people in the top 5 have so much more dirt that is so much more difficult to counter. I will trade Jax f21 for Cassie B12(4) any day of the week.
 

MrProfDrPepper

NRS, Guilty Gear, and KI, the holy trinity
TBH, while Jax has a lot of safe moves and plus frames, his game ultimately revolves around his incredibly unsafe Overhead Dash Punch (-17). If you want to get that big damage with Jax, you need to use this move, and unless you hitconfirm off of f21, it is always going to be a guess.

We all know how low profilable his normals are. Heavy Weapons rockets are -20, fyi. His energy wave in Pumped Up and Wrestler is +7, which is fucking awesome, but he can be poked out of any string he cancels into it except S3 and S4 (both highs). Which ultimately leads to more guessing, which is pretty much the opposite of safe.

I am not trying to sound like I am downplaying here. Jax is a top 10 character almost for sure, but the people in the top 5 have so much more dirt that is so much more difficult to counter. I will trade Jax f21 for Cassie B12(4) any day of the week.
You say his game revolves around his overhead dash punch? Why not continue to pressure your opponent with his safe moves? Yeah, he doesn't get damage but that pushes them back and is hella good with utility, then eventually they will be in the corner. I sure as hell would love something like that, as for the gap. Alright fair enough, I didn't know about that which explains why no one does it, I was always curious why no one ends shit with pumped is insanely plus projectile on block, by insanely plus I mean insanely plus for a projectile compared to most other projectiles.
 

MrProfDrPepper

NRS, Guilty Gear, and KI, the holy trinity
By the way no I don't think jax should get nerfed. It may seem like I hate him but I don't, I just think he is the best, that doesn't mean he should get nerfed, it just means I think he is the best. I don't think anyone needs nerfing, I just think to balance the game a couple characters need buffing, like Mileena, Jason, maybe goro depending on if he is s actually still needs them but I doubt it considering how kaotic armor is godlike with him, and kenshi definitely needs to be taken out of beta. All three (maybe 4 depending on if the goro community still thinks goro needs buffs but I doubt he needs them) of these characters definitely need buffs to keep up with the rest of the cast
 

Rude

You will serve me in The Netherrealm
So are we basing "best" based on tools or match ups?

If we're talking match ups, can I point out that in my opinion, there is more than one character that goes even or beats the cast?

Kung Lao wins or goes even...and so does BS Shinnok.

I think the two fighting each other is even.

#sorrynotsorry