Question - Summoner Why Does Quan Chi Need This?

[legion666]

Can someone thoroughly explain what the new hotfix (-9) changed exactly and how it affects Quan in situations you'd use it in? I don't know shit about frame data and the like, so an easy to understand explanation would be much appreciated.

First post patch Quan Chi had a d1 which was -7 on block and +6 on hit. That means that after someone blocks your d1 you can't do anything (even block) for 7 frames (if you didn't know this game runs at 60 frames per second, so 1 frame=1/60 of a second). But if you hit with d1 you opponent had to respect the next 6 frames. But now he is -9 after a d1 on block, it is full combo punishable by some characters. On hit all you get is 3 frames. Even a follow up with a throw (which is 10 frames) can trade with a 6 frame poke now. And of course armor, backdash, jumping are easier options for your opponent now.

 

[Predannok]

I keep seeing QC players (and Qc players ONLY) saying his D1 buff is currently needed... why? Can a single one of you give a compelling argument as to why?

plus frames and staggering strings were hes downfall not just "block inifinites". When ur fastest poke is 9 frames , u cant armor out of gaps in strings like jaxs b3d2 ,which is a +2 low overhead string, Or armor out of +5 pressure AND cant wakeup there is a problem. Tempest lao not only has his hat pressure but is able to stagger b321 very effectivly on the whole cast but he had to respect armor, or poke, against quan he could just go ham with zero threat whatsoever. The same applies to Tanya, Lui kang, Jax, Dvorah SQ, A-list JC, HQT predator And shinnok.

 

[Tweedy]

I'm tired of all of these bold headed perverts.

 

[PunkMafia83]

I'm tired of all of these bold headed perverts.

Can we get bold headed pervert over? Can we just admit it's an accurate name for him

 

[Nuovo_Cabjoy]

I went ahead and edited the OP so no one thinks this is inescapable, just showing that it's an unnecessary option. Nothing else is getting changed. We were told that the vortex needed to be that strong since Quan had no way out of pressure. What's the excuse now?

First I'd like you to directly quote any competent Quan player that has said that he wouldn't be usable without the vortex.

Second, why is it that I see soooooo many posters on tym crying about quan, when I have legitimitely never seen any of the Yomi boys or Fox complain? Do they know something you all don't, or did they actually, you know, learn how to fight the character.

 

[DevilMaySpy]

First I'd like you to directly quote any competent Quan player that has said that he wouldn't be usable without the vortex.

No need when I've got this gem that directly says Quan Chi is mid tier with touch of death capabilities:

Second, why is it that I see soooooo many posters on tym crying about quan, when I have legitimitely never seen any of the Yomi boys or Fox complain? Do they know something you all don't, or did they actually, you know, learn how to fight the character.

Really? @FOREVER KING thought Quan was so braindead that he picked him up as a secondary within 2 hours to beat Michaelangelo in the mirror and prove a point. It's hilarious how you desperately appeal to authority when it benefits you, but try to call the community "parrots" when they agree with Pig and Tom about how stupid your character is.

 

[BillStickers]

No need when I've got this gem that directly says Quan Chi is mid tier with touch of death capabilities:

Really? @FOREVER KING thought Quan was so braindead that he picked him up as a secondary within 2 hours to beat Michaelangelo in the mirror and prove a point. It's hilarious how you desperately appeal to authority when it benefits you, but try to call the community "parrots" when they agree with Pig and Tom about how stupid your character is.

Thank you for this.

 

[Israfel]

I'm tired of all of these bold headed perverts.

I'm tired of your spelling errors.

 

[FrankOceansWaifu]

Here's a new fun challenge for your stream: count every time you hit a fully charged B2 setup with Summoner against competent players. I've been told it should never happen.

Testing tech online?
Mmmmmmm
Close thread

 

[DuBBer Kiir]

Congrats to Quan for winning the next 5 majors with brain dead vortexes and gdlk charged b2 setups

 

[DevilMaySpy]

Testing tech online?
Mmmmmmm
Close thread

No. Where's your outrage about this?

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

No need when I've got this gem that directly says Quan Chi is mid tier with touch of death capabilities:

Really? @FOREVER KING thought Quan was so braindead that he picked him up as a secondary within 2 hours to beat Michaelangelo in the mirror and prove a point. It's hilarious how you desperately appeal to authority when it benefits you, but try to call the community "parrots" when they agree with Pig and Tom about how stupid your character is.

for the record. Quan chi is broken in some sense. He is very very very good in his own way. He is not changed significantly by these buffs at all though. He was already good and these changes (even if they end up being good) mean very little to his overall gameplan and effectiveness.

@Cabjoy Quan is super good and in no way is he mid tier.

I do agree with you that this change is insignificant amidst the plethora of other tools and mixups he has.

 

[FrankOceansWaifu]

No. Where's your outrage about this?

I'm saying testing/using things like this online doesn't mean we're gonna be seeing this offline because offline players are a lot more competent.I also think the double runes are stupid and should be taken out which thankfully they are.

 

[DevilMaySpy]

I'm saying testing/using things like this online doesn't mean we're gonna be seeing this offline because offline players are a lot more competent.

I also think the double runes are stupid and should be taken out which thankfully they are.

I'm pretty sure no one agreed with double spells, but Ketchup was just showing that the setups are practical online, and there's nothing wrong with that. The competitive community is the 1%. Although I still think we'll occasionally see fully charged B2's hit competitively, you can't ignore the majority, especially when making blanket statements like "you should NEVER get hit by this."

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

I'm pretty sure no one agreed with double spells, but Ketchup was just showing that the setups are practical online, and there's nothing wrong with that. The competitive community is the 1%. Although I still think we'll occasionally see fully charged B2's hit competitively, you can't ignore the majority, especially when making blanket statements like "you should NEVER get hit by this."

to be fair your the one who said "so your telling me you will never get hit by this?" as a way to universally discredit us if we do happen to get hit. His thread title was a jab at you for saying something so blanket and not at all what we were actually saying.

 

[FrankOceansWaifu]

I'm pretty sure no one agreed with double spells, but Ketchup was just showing that the setups are practical online, and there's nothing wrong with that. The competitive community is the 1%. Although I still think we'll occasionally see fully charged B2's hit competitively, you can't ignore the majority, especially when making blanket statements like "you should NEVER get hit by this."

But the non competitive community doesn't have thousands of dollars on the line online or offline. All I'm saying is testing tech online in the same way you were telling Ketchup to do is dumb and should not be taken as the final judgement nor should it be used in an argument. It's online, ANYTHING will hit.

 

[Eldriken]

It's punishable, and with a combo

But full combo punish is when you can open with exactly what you like, e.g. using the example of my character, I can use a 11212 opener to punish -9, but off a full combo punish I could open with my 44 opener for nearly double damage

Not super important, just correcting the terminology

Well, I learned something new today. Thanks.

 

[errormacro7]

QUAN CHI MID TIER LOL

The gems I found at TYM last month was "Jacqui is just outside of top 10, Tanya and Shinnok are upper mid tier" and now THIS.

 

[KIllaByte]

what happens if the B2 is not fuly charged when released, but also not just tapped?

 

[FrankOceansWaifu]

what happens if the B2 is not fuly charged when released, but also not just tapped?

Nothing since you can't cancel the b2 after a charge.

 

[Israfel]

what happens if the B2 is not fuly charged when released, but also not just tapped?

It is a HKD in this scenario, just like it was pre-patch

 

[RM slacked]

No need when I've got this gem that directly says Quan Chi is mid tier with touch of death capabilities:

and people say Cowboy is bad......

 

[ForeverKing]

No need when I've got this gem that directly says Quan Chi is mid tier with touch of death capabilities:

Really? @FOREVER KING thought Quan was so braindead that he picked him up as a secondary within 2 hours to beat Michaelangelo in the mirror and prove a point. It's hilarious how you desperately appeal to authority when it benefits you, but try to call the community "parrots" when they agree with Pig and Tom about how stupid your character is.

Quan Chi was guaranteed top 10, debatable top 5 before the patch.

After the patch alot of top characters got nerfed and Quan got buffed, I think Quan is guaranteed top 5 now debatable top 3. Possibly number 1

 

[SM StarGazer]

If this is correct and he is -9 I can punish his d1 on block with Mournful's: 11,ExGlaive,f43,f43,21xxxLift,nip,4,any ender. This would mean Im one of the few characters that can get a full combopunish on this shit. Yessss, Yessss, all according to plan. Mwahhahahaha.

 

[ForeverKing]

If this is correct and he is -9 I can punish his d1 on block with Mournful's: 11,ExGlaive,f43,f43,21xxxLift,nip,4,any ender. This would mean Im one of the few characters that can get a full combopunish on this shit. Yessss, Yessss, all according to plan. Mwahhahahaha.

Even though his D1 is -9, he's crouching while doing it so he'll probably low profile high attacks. You might have to punish it with a mid