What is the legacy that Injustice: GAU leaves behind?

[Rude]

I just wanted to say that we were all, "casuals" at one point.

 

[TrulyAmiracle]

So, by this statement, you're saying @SonicFox5000 is not a "superior player" just because he takes advantage of the vortex? He's not the only Batgirl player but he's the only one winning. Just because he uses Batgirl, you're throwing him in with "players that lack fundamentals" but he gets 2nd in DOA and wins MK9 at Winterbrawl, top 8 in Skullgirls (not sure actually placement)

This post gives me a headache.

And don't call me a "fool"...that's no longer a relevant insult of yours.

He won Skullgirls IIRC and SC5 as well. SonicFox is godlike. HOWEVER, that doesn't make batgirl any less derp. The whole character's design is garbage.

 

[Cossner]

you are right, NRS wastes money on testers.
They want to make the game more appealing to the tournament scene, but that's not their main objective and It shouldn't.

It's not about making it appealing to the tournament scene, it's about making a fun and balanced game.

I have never understood this narrative. How is polishing a game based on high level gameplay detracting from the enjoyment of casuals?

 

[M2Dave]

So, by this statement, you're saying @SonicFox5000 is not a "superior player" just because he takes advantage of the vortex? He's not the only Batgirl player but he's the only one winning. Just because he uses Batgirl, you're throwing him in with "players that lack fundamentals" but he gets 2nd in DOA and wins MK9 at Winterbrawl, top 8 in Skullgirls (not sure actually placement)

This post gives me a headache.

And don't call me a "fool"...that's no longer a relevant insult of yours.

Tom Brady was not the only Sub Zero player, but he was the only one winning for a very long time. The same was true for Pig and Kenshi. The same was true for me and Freddy. Yet we received no props because we "abused broken characters". A fool like you can kiss Sonic Fox's ass all he wants. I have nothing personal against Sonic Fox, but I will speak my mind and express what many players in the community believe about Batgirl and the vortex.

I just wanted to say that we were all, "casuals" at one point.

I know. We were all ignorant at one point.

 

[TakeAChance]

Tom Brady was not the only Sub Zero player, but he was the only one winning for a very long time. The same was true for Pig and Kenshi. The same was true for me and Freddy. Yet we received no props because we "abused broken characters". A fool like you can kiss Sonic Fox's ass all he wants. I have nothing personal against Sonic Fox, but I will speak my mind and express what many players in the community believe about Batgirl and the vortex.



I know. We were all ignorant at one point.

What was the bigger Mk9 "Injustice".

1)Subs reset removal
2) Jades U3 nerfed to a true high because Reo.
3) Kanos Upball made more punishable.
4)Jades "Big Patch" being returnable boomerangs on block that sometimes work. (that's right, before the last patch they did NOTHING on block)
5)Ermacs BF2 being way more punishable.
6)Sindel losing her 4~special
7) Jade and Sindel getting absolutely broken in Mk9 Vita to fix Smokes reset. (cyrax's was still in)

 

[M2Dave]

What was the bigger Mk9 "Injustice".

1)Subs reset removal
2) Jades U3 nerfed to a true high because Reo.
3) Kanos Upball made more punishable.
4)Jades "Big Patch" being returnable boomerangs on block that sometimes work. (that's right, before the last patch they did NOTHING on block)
5)Ermacs BF2 being way more punishable.
6)Sindel losing her 4~special
7) Jade and Sindel getting absolutely broken in Mk9 Vita to fix Smokes reset. (cyrax's was still in)

I say Kano and Sub Zero were tied. Scrubs were directly responsible for Kano and Sub Zero being bottom when they might have been top 15. Unfortunately, the changes for the other characters would have been irrelevant because the top tier characters in Mortal Kombat 9 were just too strong.

 

[Eric The Scruffy]

Tom Brady was not the only Sub Zero player, but he was the only one winning for a very long time. The same was true for Pig and Kenshi. The same was true for me and Freddy. Yet we received no props because we "abused broken characters". A fool like you can kiss Sonic Fox's ass all he wants. I have nothing personal against Sonic Fox, but I will speak my mind and express what many players in the community believe about Batgirl and the vortex.

You know, rather than imitate the fools who downplayed you and pig, you could instead take this time to be the bigger man and lead by example by giving sonic fox his props in spite of how stupid his character undeniably is. That approach has made Pig look pretty cool.

 

[trufenix]

It's not about making it appealing to the tournament scene, it's about making a fun and balanced game.

I have never understood this narrative. How is polishing a game based on high level gameplay detracting from the enjoyment of casuals?

Because high level polish does not automatically equate to low level polish (and vice versa). A game has to be fun for both the 1f link crowd and the check out this cool fatality crowd.

 

[Cossner]

Because high level polish does not automatically equate to low level polish (and vice versa). A game has to be fun for both the 1f link crowd and the check out this cool fatality crowd.

Please give me one example of your logic.
Please tell me how taking away GA's F2D13 into a "guaranteed" super affected the casual crowd.

 

[1man3letters]

i remember injustice for what it was to me from the start, a spot gap till the next mk.
ill also remember how people both offline and online cried like little spoiled children over scorpion (for different reasons),
hopefully the level of ego driven embarrassing behavior will be less at the forefront this time around, wont hold my breath though lol

 

[Eric The Scruffy]

Please give me one example of your logic.

I'd say scorpion is a pretty good example. Casuals still complain about that character all the time....because if you suck that teleport seems pretty broken.
Honestly....balancing the game for high level play, by definition, only affects play at the highest level. 90% of the people who play the game probably can't even do a dragon punch input consistently....hit them with high level play and most of them think you're hacking. They're not the kind of people who will be affected by game balancing.

 

[SonicFox5000]

I am not familiar with Guilty Gear, but I do know that Capcom has implemented the delayed wake up system in Ultra Street Fighter IV, as you stated. The game now revolves around high damage conversion in footsies, best exemplified by Daigo's Evil Ryu. Even in the prior Street Fighter installment, an Akuma player, for example, had to know how to safe jump an opponent and perform various option selects. A Batgirl player does not have to worry about these intricacies. Also, Akuma's mix ups were and still are limited to right side versus left side mix ups (i.e., cross up versus non-cross up). Batgirl creates an addition mind game that is up versus down (i.e., overhead versus low attack). The comparison is a false equivalency. Batgirl presents the simplest type of mix up in a fighting game. The only thing simpler would be an infinite combo. A Batgirl player would never have any success using Akuma. The character is too complex for them.

Batgirl would be tolerable to some extent if characters like Aquaman, Batman, Black Adam, Deathstroke, Killer Frost, Sinestro, Superman, and Zod had never been normalized. Fight the bullshit with the bullshit. But this is the NRS community that we are talking about. Everything powerful about zoning must be patched first to appease the scrubs. That is why the games will never be balanced.

Theres a lot of hypocrisy within you and this post in general.
You talk about how people don't see zoning as a "pro" tactic or its scrubby but like, Setplay is also a smart tactic. If you keep guessing wrong, then who's psychologically better? Don't go around talking about how broken things are in games when you first of all play one of the most broken zoning characters in a fighting game in existence, and don't bash on other styles of play if you don't like it when people don't acknowledge zoning. You have it easy with Setplay in injustice. Try playing any other game with a Setplay character that their 50/50s are + and can potentially kill you in one wrong guess. PLEASE play a game outside of an NRS fighter.

 

[NoobHunter420]

It's not about making it appealing to the tournament scene, it's about making a fun and balanced game.

I have never understood this narrative. How is polishing a game based on high level gameplay detracting from the enjoyment of casuals?

Low gunshots made the game unplayable for casuals because of how fucking basic it was.
walk back and do projectile, casuals have trouble dealing with keep away bullshit, add to that a low projectile.
I feel like most of the time the changes that casuals need shouldn't effect high level play.
all they had to do with DS was make low gun shots harder to execute.

 

[M2Dave]

PLEASE play a game outside of an NRS fighter.

I did. I was placing top 8 in games like Tekken 5: DR when you were in your diapers.

Try again, fool.

 

[M2Dave]

all they had to do with DS was make low gun shots harder to execute.

You are a scrub without a doubt.

 

[NoobHunter420]

You are a scrub without a doubt.

why do you think that casuals used DS?
He was brain dead easy
make him slightly harder to use and the the problem is solved without changing things at high level.

 

[STB Sgt Reed]

When I played a set with him on PS4 he didn't tbag me ever. He would actually message me with advice.

That's great! That's how top players should be! But every time I see him on stream he's teabagging someone... lol

Just my observation.

 

[STB Sgt Reed]

Back to block is fine. Most games not named MK/or 3d fighters use it.

Didn't say it wasn't fine. (Disclaimer: I am not held responsible for the many other posts by me on the forum saying back to block sucks. ) Said it pisses me off lol.

Hence, when's mk. lol

 

[KeyserSoze]

I'll just go ahead and write it: Injustice is my all-time favorite fighting game (slightly ahead of mk9)

Everything from the over-the-top super moves, ridiculous interactible damage and absurd stage transitions all the way down to the monotone, serious nature of the female commentator's voice serve to make the matches feel important. I love the mechanic of universal, armored combo-launchers. I love the concept of character traits. I love the clash system - I think it's borderline genius. I love, love, love interactibles. I love the practice mode (is there a better one in the history of fighting games???) I love how (relatively) balanced Injustice is. And as a guy who never could block, I love how ridiculous every character's offense is. I love Bane. I love Killer Frost. I love The Joker. I love Injustice.

 

[M2Dave]

why do you think that casuals used DS?
He was brain dead easy
make him slightly harder to use and the the problem is solved without changing things at high level.

Aside from the fact that Deathstroke dropped two tier spots, there were no changes "at a high level".

You are a very stupid person.

 

[haketh]

I just wanted to say that we were all, "casuals" at one point.

True & I hope no company would listen to the casual me back in the day that thought it was a good idea for Guile to get buffs in SF2: CE

 

[Cossner]

Low gunshots made the game unplayable for casuals because of how fucking basic it was.
walk back and do projectile, casuals have trouble dealing with keep away bullshit, add to that a low projectile.
I feel like most of the time the changes that casuals need shouldn't effect high level play.
all they had to do with DS was make low gun shots harder to execute.

Low shots were genuinely too good. Casuals still struggle with it and still bitch about it. All the #1s in every console for every leaderboards use DS and all they do is low shots.

Terrible example, try again.

 

[NoobHunter420]

Aside from the fact that Deathstroke dropped two tier spots, there were no changes "at a high level".

You are a very stupid person.

that not what am saying retard.
they just had to make low gunshots harder to execute, without messing with his frames.
again, casuals loved DS because he was brain dead easy. making him harder to use solves the fucking issue.

 

[NoobHunter420]

Low shots were genuinely too good. Casuals still struggle with it and still bitch about it. All the #1s in every console for every leaderboards use DS and all they do is low shots.

Terrible example, try again.

it's not as bad as it used to be.
balances for casuals don't have to effect high level play.
Like i told dave many of the issues would have been solved by just making low gunshots harder to execute.
you don't see bane casuals spamming command grab because they can't, they use charge because is a lot easier to execute.

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

Making DS not as good was just a "cry for help" that many thought was "justified". If he can get nerfed and others were allowed to keep their stuff for the most part "Aquaman, Superman, and etc." then I can already see the double standard with ppl lol. @SonicFox5000 I'll have to agree that injustice isn't as bad as a game like marvel where one hit could end ur life and u dnt get to guess again if ur character gets clipped.