This logic is dumbfounding. What happens if you're not as informed about a subject as you would like to be? You research and defer to "experts." In this case, clearly, the most qualified opinion about the character is NOT Ra Helios (unless you'd like to debate that), but rather, GGA 16 Bit. Now, when you take that into consideration, combined with the discrepancy in the reliability of evidence put forth by both parties, the logic that they both advance, and their credentials/experience with the character, you can't actually blame anyone for taking 16 Bit's opinion over Ra. Especially because, in the end, while we don't play Catwoman, we can actually tangibly see 16 Bit's arguments unfold through actual gameplay, whereas Ra's are a bunch of debatable theory fighting and even more debatable online exploits.
100% untrue. We've all actually discussed gameplay before, including match-up specific gameplay (and others, such as Wound Cowboy and Max, who play characters in which match-ups were in question chimed in). It's just that this has been going on for so long that nobody will bother relaying the same points over and over, because well, why bother?
4-6 and 3-7s are "not that bad" in Green Arrow terms
When did Ra lie about starting yet or his hours? He said he had to get up at 4:30 in the morning to get ready for work not that he starts at 4:30. Go back and check the post. Ra has barely been online the last week or so and when I asked Murk about it, he said Ra started working.
2-84-6 and 3-7s are "not that bad" in Green Arrow terms
I read all of this, and cannot fathom what it had to do with my post. One may call it...irrelevant.
I just hate the mentality that there is only one voice per character. That is silly IMO.
Even if the PS was not directed at you (it wasn't), please, don't let it slide if you have an issue with it. You actually think this is bullying? If yes, tell me why. If no, you have nothing to let slide since you agree with me.
True as much I really wanna go to tournament a lot, school and job comes first before any game tournaments.
Well, to be fair to @Cossner, Ra hasn't always had a job the last year and a half or so, so he DOES have a point to an extent. I can't deny that.
If you and others feel its ok to bash ra for saying CW is a higher tier, thn its 100% ok for him to continue to "upplay" her until you're blue in the face but remember...he will keep defending his character, he will keep trash talking the guys on here (on a gaming level), and he will keep posting his infamous grammatical errors.
True same here.
We can absolutely have more than one voice. I wouldn't say 16 Bit is the only one qualified to talk about her. Anyone who plays her offline and has extensive match-up experience with her is more than qualified to do so. And yes, even Ra is qualified to do so. But what you guys fail to see is nobody's chastising Ra simply because he's not 16 Bit. Hell, I talk about my character all the time, and I've never been to a tournament. That's not what it's about. The difference is, reliability and credibility lies not only in your accomplishments, but in your logic and arguments. The main problem with Ra is much of what he says is just inaccurate in the eyes of many, and not just because he never went offline. Since when does disagreeing with anyone means we're doing it because he doesn't have someone else's track record? PL is the most successful Kung Lao player by far, but he flipflops on Kung Lao's match-ups every day. So I'm not putting too much stock in his numbers. However, when you have someone who combines success with rationality, willingness to change his opinion based on knowledge (see 16 Bit backtracking on Catwoman losing to Green Lantern for example), and the ability to convince through logic, then yeah, I'm going to trust them more than "Cat-Woman is A- tier, finalized!!!"
You guys need to let the idea that we bash Ra simply because we disagree with him go. We bash him because much of what he says is flat out nonsensical and ludicrous. We bash him because he once argued that online > offline. We bash him because he says Catdash isn't more difficult to punish online. We bash him because he says tournament just proves who's better in a FT2/Ft3. We bash him because he once said that the best Catwoman player in the world "lacks skills."
I was literally just gonna post this. And yes, he said he comes back home at 9:30pm, I tried to rationalize it, it doesn't make sense. With Murk's schedule it does. How is that not lying lol. With his logic he doesnt even have time to poop!
He seems to have omitted some necessary details. He didn't specify how long it takes to get to work ,what time he works and how long it takes him to get home.
I'm sure RaHelios is a wonderful player that can make valid points, but he has to understand that the context by which we judge things is offline competitive gameplay. Until he has experienced that and had some sort of success in it (not saying winning a major but at least going toe to toe against knowledgable people), then his opinion can be taken into account in these matters because then he can base his arguments on a version of the game that can actually be playable. It's not elitism or anything like that, no one is asking him to be Reo 2.0. What the community is asking is for him to understand where he stands. @Eldriken just hammer that into his head because it seems everytime someone tells him this he feels attacked and tries to make crazy excuses.
Murk and I will probably have a talk with him, but we can't promise anything. >.> He's quite bull headed at times, which is where most of this shit stems from.
He does. It's all over his TYM posts.
