MK9 Most Current Tier List Thread: Updated 9/1/2011

[salvificblood]

he is just as effective as those stated. JC can be poked out of his pressure. Sub can apply the same TYPE of pressure after a knockdown... and thats all that really matters. Subs projectile is a combo waiting to happen... not 8,9,12%... a COMBO. two other characters can do this. the clone is not a defensive tool as much as it is a pressure tool. You are short changing the character because he doesn't have frame traps. he has COMBO traps. lol. i should trademark that.

Not really. You can elect to stay grounded against Sub-Zero which is an effective way of dealing with Sub-Zero's who like to presure on wakeup (me). I didn't say his clone wasn't a pressure tool either.

I just feel this character is being dumbed down by the way people talk about him and strategise. People need to actually develope their own Sub-Zero ather than trying to immitate Tom. You cannot be as good a Tom Brady as Tom Brady. This is nothing against Tom, it's to do with the mindset of Sub players who copy (or borrow to be polite about it), his ideas and way of thinking about Sub before testing/knowing whether or not those things are optimal.

There's no way in my eyes that Sub-Zero competes with Johnny Cage in a slug fest. Cyber Sub-Zero is another who has a better rushdown game than Sub-Zero. So whatever it is that's making him so effective, it isn't purely his offense...

Just the way I see it. You can take it or leave it.

 

[Niflheim]

I will not understand why CSZ and Ermac are only B Tier. Then again, Bomb problem with CSZ is pretty much why he's down a tier, imo.

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

Um... were Kung Lao and Kabal both removed from the game without my knowing?



How many characters truly shut him down though? He only really needs to get in once before the gauntlet of guessing begins.

No... I think you misunderstood me. I was very simple. Sub can stone a rush down with his clone. Anytime a string is blocked he clones... no repercussion from a rush down character. not even Kabal has that ability.
Kung Lao doesn't really matter... his zoning is really just meh... because really he just uses it to close distance to apply his rush down. Why keep someone out when you are better than them at what they do? So he doesn't keep out rush down, because his really, he is better at it than everyone sans Johnny Cage.

 

[ZeroEffect]

I guess so. What you said was that Sub was the only character who could rush down zoners and keep away rushdown. So I figured that while KL doesn't zone to keep rushdown away, he has spin. Spin keeps pressure off him about as effectively as zoning does for other chars.

and Kabal? He zones with the best of them (iAF and Saw)... plus he rushes down with the best as well... blockstrings into dash cancel into iAF keeps people from doing much. plus if it hits, he's getting combos too, just like Sub gets off his clone. These two characters don't have shields like Sub and his clone, but their methods of beating rushdown are every bit as effective.

But maybe I did misunderstand what you meant. I thought you were just saying that no other character could be played to successfully rushdown zoners and beat rushdown themselves.

 

[greeneless]

I didn't think Ermac would be that low, but I guess it makes sense. He doesn't really have a whole lot of options.

 

[PANDEMlC]

This tier list pretty much looks perfect.

 

[chessmaster]

when the next patch hits i hope freddy is with sheeva in D tier, and stryker and sindel should move up to C tier.

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

Cage shouldnt be S tier if Sonya is 2 tiers below him, they both have exactly the same strengths and weaknesses.

At least his character design functions correctly (unlike the design of many others). If Johnny Cage manages to get close, he is the most powerful character in the game. His pokes are second to none. JOP showed what Cage can really do at Evo. Cage goes 5:5 versus Kung Lao, Raiden, and Cyrax but probably loses 4:6 to Kabal and Reptile. I am not sure how the Kitana match up goes. The point is that those are some very solid numbers. Really, if Cage can force a mistake and get in, he can beat any character.

I really dont think Cage goes 5:5 with Raiden, only 1 of his frame traps will work against him, raiden can tele out of everything else. The only character that Cage has a relatively easy time with within the S tier is KL, because he cant spin out of frame traps and has no armour to get out (Ex Tele is too slow). I can agree with 5:5 against Cyrax (because I play mustard alot). Kabal and Reptile definitely slap cage about too.

The Kitana matchup is just down to patience. Sitting there ducking fans untill the other guy gets bored, you have to react quick once the guy comes near you to keep him there, bait pokes and frametrap the crap out of them. On paper it should go to Kitana, but Cage isnt really 1 to jump much.

But in the end tier lists are always gonna be opinion based.

 

[Tom Brady]

Not really. You can elect to stay grounded against Sub-Zero which is an effective way of dealing with Sub-Zero's who like to presure on wakeup (me). I didn't say his clone wasn't a pressure tool either.

I just feel this character is being dumbed down by the way people talk about him and strategise. People need to actually develope their own Sub-Zero ather than trying to immitate Tom. You cannot be as good a Tom Brady as Tom Brady. This is nothing against Tom, it's to do with the mindset of Sub players who copy (or borrow to be polite about it), his ideas and way of thinking about Sub before testing/knowing whether or not those things are optimal.

There's no way in my eyes that Sub-Zero competes with Johnny Cage in a slug fest. Cyber Sub-Zero is another who has a better rushdown game than Sub-Zero. So whatever it is that's making him so effective, it isn't purely his offense...

Just the way I see it. You can take it or leave it.

1. there are at least 5-7 sub-zero players much better then me, you can be more than "as good as tom brady" because they are better.

2. Sub has every powerful offense. Look, i have already admitted that i have very limited sub-zero knowledge but im certain that one of the pros in the sub boards would agree on how good his offense is.

 

[TeeJayKay]

1. there are at least 5-7 sub-zero players much better then me, you can be more than "as good as tom brady" because they are better.

2. Sub has every powerful offense. Look, i have already admitted that i have very limited sub-zero knowledge but im certain that one of the pros in the sub boards would agree on how good his offense is.

agreed with 1.

he should've said "as good as cat". would've been a better way to put it tbh

 

[Cat]

1. there are at least 5-7 sub-zero players much better then me, you can be more than "as good as tom brady" because they are better.

2. Sub has every powerful offense. Look, i have already admitted that i have very limited sub-zero knowledge but im certain that one of the pros in the sub boards would agree on how good his offense is.

ShotOuts to Tom Being Stronger, faster, better looking than me... My gf disagrees with the last one bro.

Anyways. If anyone wants some great sub advice talk to shoryuken. Or marvaz. Great rush down subbys.

 

[kandehbar]

Im pretty sure its just a video game and your shouldn't take this serious enough to post pictures of your self.
You can't say you dont care because you kinda post pictures of your self meaning you care alot about what people have to say and expecially what tom has to say.

My advise to you is just let things go, roll with the punches and make the trolling at least friendly trolling, you know the type that helps you make friends. Not asswhole trolling that leads you to post pictures of yourself ( or of someone claming to be you) on the internet

 

[STK]

sektor and kenshi A? what makes them that high?

 

[kandehbar]

sektor can zone decently and his teleport is really good. Ex telport is safe.

and the Only reason kenshi isnt S tire is because he lacks mobility
*note all the S tiers has a teleport of some kind or is very mobile excluding kitana but thats cause jumping is very important in this game and kitana rules the air only person that i think can match here is smoke.

He his 4 diffrent over head moves his clones are good and dont count as projetiles
and he had 2 wake up get off me moves. One that starts a juggles and one that set them away to start zoning and his zoning is tricky becase the clone comes right infront of you so you need to block and the other clone is an overhead

 

[PND OmegaK]

I don't get why everyone is saying this list is perfect when Sonya and Cyber Sub are in the same tier as Jade, and Cage is in S tier.

 

[STK]

sektor can zone decently and his teleport is really good. Ex telport is safe.

and the Only reason kenshi isnt S tire is because he lacks mobility
*note all the S tiers has a teleport of some kind or is very mobile excluding kitana but thats cause jumping is very important in this game and kitana rules the air only person that i think can match here is smoke.

He his 4 diffrent over head moves his clones are good and dont count as projetiles
and he had 2 wake up get off me moves. One that starts a juggles and one that set them away to start zoning and his zoning is tricky becase the clone comes right infront of you so you need to block and the other clone is an overhead

it seems like when playing sektor anyways it hard to get people off. even though the TU EX is safe it still gets stuffed or beat. if it had or was getting armor, then yea i could see that. with the last time i played kenshi it played him the was u just described so i have an easier time seeing him as A than sektor.... anyone else think sektor maybe misplace on the list here. and was there a new faith in rain i missed. be sides the 3 characters i find the list SOLID.

 

[kandehbar]

I dont know to much about sonya but cage is in S tier because his rushdown is better then kung laos. Kung lao just has better options in general

 

[shura30]

another pointless thread where anyone will post his own tier list

i would like you all to reconsider switching to the matchup chart thread THEN make a tier list on those results

just because a tier list comes out a matchup chart

just saying

 

[PND OmegaK]

I'm sure most people agree when I say the current matchup chart is a bit rubbish. Until it gets updated with all the feedback from the matchup threads then it seems pretty moot.

 

[RamenO]

I don't understand the point of measuring/arguing this, when there is a patch on the horizon that will modify a lot of things anyway. Some changes may dramatically affect character placement(Skarlet and Sub come to mind).

 

[shura30]

I'm sure most people agree when I say the current matchup chart is a bit rubbish. Until it gets updated with all the feedback from the matchup threads then it seems pretty moot.

another reason why tier lists should not pop up like this one
even if it's from tom brady

especially when characters gained a couple of tiers without explanation

 

[silva_777]

there are to many s tiers and a tiers, besides i dont agree that JC and KL are on the same tier, JC is better than A but lower than s, maybe put some a+ a- s+ tiers....

are sub and scrop on same tier? really?

 

[Bovine McKow]

This tier list looks damn near perfect with one exception, Sonya. I think she's way better than most are giving her credit for.

 

[SkiLLz-uK]

Shouldn't KL be G(od) tier? lol.

 

[RWDY Nori]

You're getting hung up on semantics. He's broken the roster up into five separate tiers. It doesn't really matter what they're called.

Oh no, it actually does matter. If gamers understand S tier, they understand S tier is usually reserved for broken tier. If you have new players (or even veterans) reading this, they will see "S" tier and use it as an excuse to not learn the matchup and whine for nerfs. It's imporant for people to understand how truly balanced this game is and there IS a way to beat every char