LOTF Nightwing MU chart

[EMPR_MURK]

I agree with everything u said except for zod, Harley, killer frost, bane, ds, and green arrow.

This is not to start any arguments for those who think so but....


I think nw/zod is 4-6
Nw/Harley 5-5
Killer frost 5-5
Bane 6-4
Ds 5-5
Green arrow 6-4/5-5. Any questions on those, I'd b happy to answer.

Btw I really love that u think ww/nw is 5-5 because I honestly thought I was the only NW player who thought that. Good stuff

 

[xInfra Deadx]

He's making another one

Clearly the last 3 matchup charts didn't suffice and twenty more online matchup charts are needed until some people feel better about themselves.

 

[EMPR_MURK]

Clearly the last 3 matchup charts didn't suffice and twenty more online matchup charts are needed until some people feel better about themselves.

Seriously please don't bring the online vs offline bs in my characters mu discussions. Take that shit somewhere else

 

[STB Sgt Reed]

No wonder I suck... my stance split goes as such with NW

90% Staff, 10% Escrima No matter the opponent.

And that 10% is only b/c I'm forced to start in Escrima and clash puts me back in Escrima.

I'd go 100% Staff mode if I could. lmao

 

[Sonic Lionheart]

I have to agree 5-5 vs Harley. Me and @AL Eevee do this match often. It's comes down to who becomes the aggressor first. 85% escrima 15% staff.

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Nice write-up and I agree on the Lobo mu. Doomsday mu imo is even. The better player win's that mu.

i can't argue with DD logic. Very possible

Yea I go back and forth on the NW mu myself, maybe because I'm not that great at zoning but I say it's 5-5. Staff seems like a good option in the MU as I believe ground pound has a faster start up and does more damage than her gunshot, also he can poke out of her d1 frame trap and out footsies her midscreen. This is of course from personal experience

Maybe i just need to grind it more with saltface

I certainly hope that the Ares experience is not based off of Breakin Wordz...

Its off of all ares I have fought.

I agree, consider yourself lucky

Thank God!

Black Adam "outfootsies most of the cast" lol

Bird Adam MB dive kick whiff punishes everything...

See? 4-6 Black Adam.
You BA players are just a bunch of downplayers

They fucking are!!! Smargasm BA was best I ever played around Final Round time frame and BA hasn't changed. He is still super viable.

@AK L0rdoftheFLY nice mu.
But I feel that NW beats batgirl and Sinestro. And Bane (Keep it CIVILIZED) and that Harley is 5-5 (Excuse the grammar)

I see you play and know you have skills but your mentality is COMPLETELY flawed on so many levels. He doesn't beat BG and there is no fucking way he beats Sinestro.

If you really think staff makes this a 6-4 Mu you are a fool ( no disrespect) @EMPR_MURK when you going to make the OFFICIAL!!!! NightWing Mu chart? All you do is be on the menu screen looking at your tv. You should be making that Mu chart

I'm gonna play Bit tonight and i'll post updates. Your online matches with murk mean nothing to everyone.

I agree with everything u said except for zod, Harley, killer frost, bane, ds, and green arrow.

This is not to start any arguments for those who think so but....


I think nw/zod is 4-6
Nw/Harley 5-5
Killer frost 5-5
Bane 6-4
Ds 5-5
Green arrow 6-4/5-5. Any questions on those, I'd b happy to answer.

Btw I really love that u think ww/nw is 5-5 because I honestly thought I was the only NW player who thought that. Good stuff

I'd love to discuss this. Zod bodies NW and if you havn't played pig 50-100 matches you really really should. The others are not big deals to me honestly and I could totally see it.

I super duper disagree with GA though and thats the only one I really want to discuss. Why does that go 5-5?

No wonder I suck... my stance split goes as such with NW

90% Staff, 10% Escrima No matter the opponent.

And that 10% is only b/c I'm forced to start in Escrima and clash puts me back in Escrima.

I'd go 100% Staff mode if I could. lmao

I just posted my splits cause I thought it was interesting. I'm not saying its the only right way to play though.

 

[BiPolarExxpress]

I'm on the Bane Nightwing is even theory too. Both honestly have tools that sway the matchup in their favor. I just feel whoever is on their game that day is going to take that set. It's about as honest as you can say a matchup is with Bane lol.

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

I'm on the Bane Nightwing is even theory too. Both honestly have tools that sway the matchup in their favor. I just feel whoever is on their game that day is going to take that set. It's about as honest as you can say a matchup is with Bane lol.

I really really am looking forward to play max in an offline set and get bodied. I need to log serious time offline to really be confident in this MU number.

 

[BiPolarExxpress]

I really really am looking forward to play max in an offline set and get bodied. I need to log serious time offline to really be confident in this MU number.

It really takes both sides a while to learn this one. Feels like rock paper scissors a lot of the time. Normally Bane matchups don't feel like that

 

[Yoaks]

See? 4-6 Black Adam.
You BA players are just a bunch of downplayers

"This will ALWAYS be a world of Downplayers!"

 

[MidTierHarley]

"This will ALWAY'S be a world of Downplayers!"

Why did you spell "always" like that lmao
@Eldriken
@Youphemism

 

[Yoaks]

Why did you spell "always" like that lmao
@Eldriken
@Youphemism

oops. Fixed.

 

[Yoaks]

Why did you spell "always" like that lmao
@Eldriken
@Youphemism

I'm also human. So human's generally make very little mistakes.

 

[The Highlander]

It's interesting to see so many Nightwings agreeing that WW NW is 5-5, I thought I was going crazy when the 3-7, 7-3 numbers were being thrown around...

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

It's interesting to see so many Nightwings agreeing that WW NW is 5-5, I thought I was going crazy when the 3-7, 7-3 numbers were being thrown around...

I blame West coast for that

 

[OG Mannimal]

I blame West coast for that

Typical west coast bullshit

 

[Sajam]

I blame West coast for that

Eh, Anton thinks WoWo beats NW bad but I think she wins the MU at least slightly.

I think the way @Filipino Man plays is much different from most WoWo players and the way he applies pressure is not only better, but also super effective against NW. I don't see any WoWo players doing the things he does in the MU to not only apply pressure, but blow up NW when he's applying pressure or knocked down.

As far as the rest of the chart goes, I think DD is 5-5, I know Revolver thinks the Lex MU is 5-5, and yeah the Bane MU is 5-5. Everybody who thought it was NW advantage probably hadn't had their back broken yet.

Looking forward to seeing some gameplay with the GGA guys, hopefully their I can catch it live.

 

[Braindead]

I blame West coast for that

Her air dashes are still annoying as fuck, though.

 

[FOREVER EL1TE]

@AK L0rdoftheFLY I need to play cowboy or p2w to actually get the best feel for the mu.
And I honestly believe that Nightwing beats batgirl. Im not saying she gets demolished. However I feel that he has a slight advantage on her because of staff footsies

 

[Youphemism]

Will do usual obligatory mu chart thread stuff when I get home

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Eh, Anton thinks WoWo beats NW bad but I think she wins the MU at least slightly.

I think the way @Filipino Man plays is much different from most WoWo players and the way he applies pressure is not only better, but also super effective against NW. I don't see any WoWo players doing the things he does in the MU to not only apply pressure, but blow up NW when he's applying pressure or knocked down.

As far as the rest of the chart goes, I think DD is 5-5, I know Revolver thinks the Lex MU is 5-5, and yeah the Bane MU is 5-5. Everybody who thought it was NW advantage probably hadn't had their back broken yet.

Looking forward to seeing some gameplay with the GGA guys, hopefully their I can catch it live.

I'm basing my numbers off of playing goomba at his best as well as other WW. I'm sure you guys have the mu down but this is just my 2 cents. 7-3 is a bit much though.

 

[Sajam]

I'm basing my numbers off of playing goomba at his best as well as other WW. I'm sure you guys have the mu down but this is just my 2 cents. 7-3 is a bit much though.

Well the only time I played Goomba he was apparently very drunk so I guess we can't compare notes in that regard.

Lots of Anton's MU experience against NW comes from online too, he's pretty much played all of the NW players on TYM. Around that time I was still teaching him the game so we mostly played mirrors or other MUs, which is why I know WoWo really well. I think the biggest difference the way Anton plays it and other WoWo players is his meter control, his air dash pressure being better, and having the ability to instant air demi goddess so low. Since he always has super, 90% of NW's staff offense is super risky and makes controlling neutral against her even more difficult. I was planning on doing more videos on MUs for NW players, and I think I'll talk about this one next. They both have decent answers for each other, but WoWo's damage output, mobility, and her ability to snowball the game in her favor while holding onto super makes it really scary to play.

 

[MrSoloLobo]

@AK L0rdoftheFLY I need to play cowboy or p2w to actually get the best feel for the mu.
And I honestly believe that Nightwing beats batgirl. Im not saying she gets demolished. However I feel that he has a slight advantage on her because of staff footsies

Staff does out-footsie her but she out-damages him and can move around a lot better. I think it's pretty even.

 

[EMPR_MURK]

@AK L0rdoftheFLY I need to play cowboy or p2w to actually get the best feel for the mu.
And I honestly believe that Nightwing beats batgirl. Im not saying she gets demolished. However I feel that he has a slight advantage on her because of staff footsies

Staff only works against batgirl up close but she shuts down staff zoning especially when boola is plus 3 on block so we really can't counter zone her in staff at the risk of getting hit by a batarang or batclaw (idk what its called) unless the batgirl player makes a mistake (which is rare at the high level). NW needs to be mobile against batgirl so escrima is the better option.

 

[Blind_Ducky]

One thing about the Raven-Nightwing mu that's pretty huge is him bodying her on knockdown. I also think it's possible he could beat her. Also everything you've already said is spot on.