Fools, Zod is a well-balanced character.

[rpg]

Imagine if arma played ZOD daaaammmmnnnn.....

 

[DarthArma]

FOREVER KING said: ↑
Zod's MB low lazers mixed with his IAZB mixed with his backdash does make him a pretty powerful zoner. Than his trait on top of all that is what makes him kind of well-balanced.


M2Dave: Fixed for you.

HAHAHAHAHAHAH...oh wait you were serious...

 

[juicepouch]

Grundy needs a safe WC teleport that can be cancelled to be well balanced

 

[haketh]

Either OH teleport negative the same as the normal tele or OH requires a bar of meter


Possible 3-4 secs regen time added for trait
That's it

I still say the OH Tele is whatever but holy fuck MB Orb is seriously being overlooked as the dumb move.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Aquaman: 5-5
Ares: 6-4
Bane: 5-5
Batgirl: 5-5
Batman: 6-4
Black Adam: 7-3
Catwoman: 6-4
Cyborg: 6-4
Doomsday: 5-5
Flash: 5-5
Green Arrow: 7-3
Green Lantern: 7-3
Harley Quinn: 6-4
Hawkgirl: 7-3
Joker: 7-3
Killer Frost: 5-5
Lex Luthor: 7-3
Lobo: 7-3
Martian Manhunter: 4-6
Nightwing: 7-3
Raven: 5-5
Scorpion: 7-3
Shazam: 7-3
Sinestro: 5-5
Grundy: 7-3
Superman: 6-4
Wonder Woman: 6-4
Zatanna: 5-5
Zod: 5-5

Some #s are wrong

scorp 6-4
shazam 6-4
MMH 3-7
GL 6-4
cyborg 7-3
bane 4-6
batman 5-5

 

[Rude]

So.... At the end of a string/combo:

-Bane can push me full screen (Not sure why he'd want to but he can).
-MMH can push you full screen.
-Supes can push you full screen.
-BA can push you full screen.
-Shazam can put himself full screen.
-Cyborg can put you full screen.
-Sinestro can put you full screen.
-KF can put you full screen.
-WoWo can put you full screen.
-AM can put you full screen.
-CW can put you full screen.
-I *believe* Flash can put you full screen? (I forget if he has a move that pushes you that far or not)


All of these characters have above average to amazing backdashes. Many of them have backdashes on par or better than Zod's.
I understand that not all of those characters want you full screen, but saying that a character that can put you full screen shouldn't have a good backdash is stupid, especially considering almost every character in the game can do that.


Also you play CW; you have one of the best backdashes in this game XD




EDIT:

Also, I want to point out Zod's zoning/full screen trait mixups are WAAAAAY easier to deal with offline. Don't call for nerfs based solely on online play.

Batman can put you close to full-screen by ending combos in Up Grapple.

 

[Icy Black Deep]

Batman can put you close to full-screen by ending combos in Up Grapple.

Zod's MB ground blast put you full screen for blocking it.

I appreciate this thread even more now that GG music has been posted.

Sorry, I forgot I had this:

 

[Rude]

Zod's MB ground blast put you full screen for blocking it.


Sorry, I forgot I had this:

Doesn't that depend on which blast he's using and where you're blocking it?

Also, isn't it a zoner's goal to put you full-screen?

 

[Laos_boy]

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Either OH teleport negative the same as the normal tele or OH requires a bar of meter


Possible 3-4 secs regen time added for trait
That's it

What about making air tele more reactable?

 

[Laos_boy]

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I am not going to entertain this because some people get my point of what I am talking about when I say Zod back dash is op

Why are you complaining about zods backdash as a Catwoman player. If he baskdashes out out of your pressure catch it with a catdash or read and j2. His backdash is very good but the recovery frames aren't godlike.

Can you give me situations when he backdashes

 

[Fromundaman]

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What about making air tele more reactable?

Isn't it reactable already? It even has an audio cue to tell you when to forward/back dash (Depending on whether it's high or low, which you do have to guess).

 

[Peckapowa]

You are definitely right about standing 3. That normal is so good in so many ways. I am really trying to use it in pressure more as well as a counter poke. Also 3xxlaser or 3xxlaser (backdash cancel) d4 is tough to block. So I do like that mixup.

However, f2 xxlow laser is reactable and easily interruptible. My point is to help people fuzzy/react to his mixups comfortably which is very possible for 90% of them.

Right now there are only a few people I play that can block trait rushdown well, and also make me cover his holes with trait slash to avoid being interrupted (4,f2,1,x(4)xLaser or 4,f2x(4)xLaser). Most people I just go in free styling and am guaranteed a combo lol

Honestly, his most '50-50' esque mixup is the simple dash forward f2, or dash forward d4 lol

In a few months Zod players may just be more content taking chip damage/interactables tossing, while maintain zoning presence, rather than going in for rush down. A character like Aquaman already kinda makes you play this chipping out game. People really do just need to lab Zod more, there is so much room for improvement as frustrating as it may seem right now.

f2 low laser with a slash in the middle mixes up pretty well with f2 grab cancels and its not really interruptable if you slash in between, considering that they have to guess between f2 f2 f2 f2 and f2 grab, if they are fuzzing the low laser will catch them.

I think laser cancels are very effective, because people stand as soon as they see it cancels so you can go for a dash up f2 if you are in range or another ground laser, also if you launch a zod ball with trait, you can mixup between quick uncancelled ground lasers and laser cancel into grab. if the ground laser hits the ball will pop them up and you can grab. I agree its getting harder to open people up, but i tihnk he can keep most characters out long enough to keep getting trait and zoning. hes pretty stupid

what i want to master is spaming instant airs and slashes at the same time, so if they duck you get a combo by grabbing, if they stand they eat 2% roughly per ball and a bunch from slashes you could end with a charged laser, also

 

[Laos_boy]

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Isn't it reactable already? It even has an audio cue to tell you when to forward/back dash (Depending on whether it's high or low, which you do have to guess).

Well for me an perfect iaTele is hard to mb b3 on reaction

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

f2 low laser with a slash in the middle mixes up pretty well with f2 grab cancels and its not really interruptable if you slash in between, considering that they have to guess between f2 f2 f2 f2 and f2 grab, if they are fuzzing the low laser will catch them.

I think laser cancels are very effective, because people stand as soon as they see it cancels so you can go for a dash up f2 if you are in range or another ground laser, also if you launch a zod ball with trait, you can mixup between quick uncancelled ground lasers and laser cancel into grab. if the ground laser hits the ball will pop them up and you can grab. I agree its getting harder to open people up, but i tihnk he can keep most characters out long enough to keep getting trait and zoning. hes pretty stupid

what i want to master is spaming instant airs and slashes at the same time, so if they duck you get a combo by grabbing, if they stand they eat 2% roughly per ball and a bunch from slashes you could end with a charged laser, also

How do u do vs balding and blak fellow w ZOD

I'm having really good success now vs MMhs

 

[Peckapowa]

I tried all of that what you said. Its just so irritating to the point I just give up. You can trap Zod in the corner. Don't worry!!!!! J Zod charge out of the Corner and back dash some more and more then use Laser eye Mb. then press the B button to pull out trait. Once Trait finish Back dash zone and more back dash. I forgot. J zod charge to start the same cycle over and over again. It is annoying. A character that has awesome zoning and a move set that push you full screen shouldn't have a great back dash. Bane is different because he is a rushdown character. No Zoners period!!!!! should have a great back dash. Just Rushdown characters.

lets be serious here, you do random back 3s and my trait and f2 both whiff when i read armor, and you do readable catdashes and that shit can't be punished

 

[Ra Helios]

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Why are you complaining about zods backdash as a Catwoman player. If he baskdashes out out of your pressure catch it with a catdash or read and j2. His backdash is very good but the recovery frames aren't godlike.

Can you give me situations when he backdashes

Doesn't work. Stop trying to make it seems like it easy. Zod back dash is faster then catwoman mobility speed stop so blind. And the whip doesn't reach

 

[Peckapowa]

How do u do vs balding and blak fellow w ZOD

I'm having really good success now vs MMhs

i haven't played balding recently but i would feel confident vs him especially offline, artie usually gets the more games then me there's times where i beat him but i make a mistake and he knocks me down and does his bullshit, i prefer to mirror him with martians, i have a terrible connection vs both.

jupiter is the only one i feel really disadvantaged against.

you are definetly better vs martian than me. but i have some new ideas that might help me conquer the matchup vs anyone but jupiter. When i played it offline i felt really confident in dealing with the teleport by zod charging and mb b3ing on reaction. I also think instant air slowball will help me conquer it.


otherwise i don't worry because i have been playing more martian lately anyways

 

[Ra Helios]

lets be serious here, you do random back 3s and my trait and f2 both whiff when i read armor, and you do readable catdashes and that shit can't be punished

You can punish mb catdash. And you did it when the last time we played. I do random b3 because of zod stupid back dash. I don't do readable catdash because it is honestly a guess. Plus you do the same thing what all zods do. But I have to give it to you. You don't abuse the broken back dash.

 

[Fromundaman]

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Well for me an perfect iaTele is hard to mb b3 on reaction

Understandable. Honestly I think *if* they change anything it should just be to make an ia teleport start a bit higher off the ground to help with that issue.

 

[Peckapowa]

You can punish mb catdash. And you did it when the last time we played. I do random b3 because of zod stupid back dash. I don't do readable catdash because it is honestly a guess. Plus you do the same thing what all zods do. But I have to give it to you. You don't abuse the broken back dash.

i do vs bane its all i do vs bane lol, i use it a lot vs you but you don't always punish it

 

[Ra Helios]

You can punish mb catdash. And you did it when the last time we played. I do random b3 because of zod stupid back dash. I don't do readable catdash because it is honestly a guess. Plus you do the same thing what all zods do. But I have to give it to you. You don't abuse the broken back dash.

lets be serious here, you do random back 3s and my trait and f2 both whiff when i read armor, and you do readable catdashes and that shit can't be punished

Plus each time I play you in some rounds I read you and comeback extremely and I know you get mad. Lol. I remember you gray bar me the first round. Then I came back and won. Do you honestly agree catwoman has a huge comeback facter?

 

[Ra Helios]

i do vs bane its all i do vs bane lol, i use it a lot vs you but you don't always punish it

You can't. It is to good. You can back dash to victory. And who ever disagree is a fool. Because zod backdash is his game. Nerf that shit!!!!! He has move sets to push you full screen. Why you need a great back dash? Plus Zod grab pushes you full screen. What the hell!? To bad the character is to boring and brain dead to even pick up for me. Do be honest I don't know how people do it. They forcefully pick up top tier character to win. The game will be boring to me if I had that stupid mind set. I just can't do it.

 

[HomeLee1121]

You can't. It is to good. You can back dash to victory. And who ever disagree is a fool. Because zod backdash is his game. Nerf that shit!!!!! He has move sets to push you full screen. Why you need a great back dash? Plus Zod grab pushes you full screen. What the hell!? To bad the character is to boring and brain dead to even pick up for me. Do be honest I don't know how people do it. They forcefully pick up top tier character to win. The game will be boring to me if I had that stupid mind set. I just can't do it.

lol maybe its just you and your character then b/c i have no problem with zod's backdash lol well honestly man i think you have a stupid mindset b/c you're bitching too much and i remember in a past thread you compared lag in injustice to lag in gears of war, just sayin....that sounds retarded.

 

[EMPEROR_JUPITER]

Can someone now make a thread saying MMH is well balanced?

 

[Chakk dizzle]

Do we still not realize Ra Helios is a troll? His posts are hilarious.