Martian Manhunter Broken Meter Build Strategy + more

[Espio]

I thought this was pretty common knowledge. I'm not sure why this is being lauded as broken when I use whiff specials with Grundy, Hawkgirl, Raven etc to build meter from full screen from time to time.

If somebody just sits there letting you build a bar by doing twelve of those I dunno what to say, sitting there doing that lets the person just come in if they want.

 

[Zyos]

@Emperor DMS how did you know how much i loved flow charts i laughed my ass off reading that like a fight

 

[xInfra Deadx]

He showed it in the video, it says 5 frames.

Which is fucking ridiculous if you ask me.

Are we sure about that though? There's some frame data information that isn't incorrect like some of Zod's strings...

 

[TH3DISTURBED1]

Pre-patch Deathstroke needed to be nerfed though.

Not every character had a 6 frame Charge like Lex to deal with Deathstrokes shit. And he forced you to jump..

I actually picked him up after he was nerfed for a while...

This was my first actual fighting game and that wasn't that hard to beat his zoning. It's pathetic when people say he NEEDED the nerf. No. You needed to learn to block and dash.

 

[LanceMonsoon]

It's kind of refreshing to see someone bitching about something other then his OH teleport. Now can we talk about his bf3 wake up pls?

 

[Red Reaper]

This was my first actual fighting game and that wasn't that hard to beat his zoning. It's pathetic when people say he NEEDED the nerf. No. You needed to learn to block and dash.

What character did you use? You do know that back to back shots punished any dashes in between right? (At least for most characters, if not all, including Flash since his dash wasn't buffed yet back then.)

If you really were fine with that then by all means. I'm fine with broken sh*t in games now thanx to Injustice. I'd use pre-patch Deathstroke if he returned. I'm not komplaining. I'm just pointing out broken shit when I see it...

 

[Kinetic Demise]

Its 5

I'm glad to see someone else found the greatness of his 5 frame normal. It's great for interrupting batman, punishing Harley cartwheel pretty easily, interrupting Black Adam's d1 into hands, etc. Martian has all the tools to deal with anyone in the game.

 

[Minh Giang]

Probably the same reason his MB B3 has 2 hits.

All seriousness, I'm not crying for Manhunter to be banned or that he's broken...but I honestly don't understand how the hell he makes any kind of sense from a balancing perspective. Most characters in the game have some kind of observable weakness like poor wakeups or weak zoning, but it feels like with Manhunter NRS almost specifically designed him the best character in the game. I can't help but feel like if this were a Capcom game he would be balanced out by having Seth level health.

because everyone, their moms and their dogs cried for MMH DLC.

 

[xInfra Deadx]

If Martian's F1 and Zat's standing 1 are really 5 frames, then Sinestro's best footsie tool would be full combo punishable on block, and unfortunately, can't punish...but Superman's Super does.

 

[Kinetic Demise]

If Martian's F1 and Zat's standing 1 are really 5 frames, then Sinestro's best footsie tool would be full combo punishable on block, and unfortunately, can't punish...but Superman's Super does.

from very close up, superman's super is 4 frames. Which is why he can punish it from closer ranges just like flashes lightning kick. mmh f1 is 5 frames. idk about zatanna but last time I checked it was 5.

 

[NoobHunter420]

Hotfix this l0l

 

[Krayzie]

Old stuff, and misleading title.

I thought he was going to get infinite meter somehow, I was getting excited.

Cool nonetheless... I don't see the big deal when Supes is making mega meter with straight lasers which recovers in 0 frames.

I think starting today, I will begin to downplay Martian because its fun, not because I believe in the downplay.

 

[Vulcan Hades]

omg so broke @Palo pls fix. This is truly game breaking.

The complete meta will never be the same.

 

[Cossner]

How the hell does anyone make any kind of sense from a balancing perspective.

"The most balanced game of all time according to some people"

 

[Helix123]

If Martian's F1 and Zat's standing 1 are really 5 frames, then Sinestro's best footsie tool would be full combo punishable on block, and unfortunately, can't punish...but Superman's Super does.

Actually that's not true, they may be 5 frame start up, but the first active frame is on the 6th frame, which makes -5 moves NOT punishable by 5 frame moves, but punish -6 moves like nightwing's staff spin.

 

[Helix123]

I think Injustice is very well balanced as far as fighters go. There's some design choices I question (Trident Rush, Fire and Electrical arrows), and some characters I don't think can compete. I'd probably even be in favor of another patch down the line, but most of the cast is pretty viable and balanced. Even as stupid as Manhunter is, most of the cast can still fight him and win (our main not withstanding). The thing that I just find kind of headscratching is that for all intents and purposes the character basically reads like a checklist of the tools you would need to be a perfect character...and in that he really stands out from the rest of the cast. Fast long reaching normals, 50/50 mixups, Zoning, Traps and counterzoning, mobility, great wakeups, good metergame, grab distance, multihitting back2 to deal with armor, etc. For all intents and purposes he seems to have been built as a perfect character.

You're acting like he has no weaknesses, but he does, he sucks against relentless rush down and armour, he has a multihitting b3 but that doesn't matter much since the armor is usually faster than the B3, without his trait his up close game and footsies suck balls and his zoning is mediocre at best, and despite having 50/50s he has the choice to make them high damaging and unsafe, or low damaging and safe so they're much better than other 50/50s, he IS an amzing character who's fantastic all around but he's not perfect.

 

[Eric The Scruffy]

You're acting like he has no weaknesses, but he does, he sucks against relentless rush down and armour, he has a multihitting b3 but that doesn't matter much since the armor is usually faster than the B3, without his trait his up close game and footsies suck balls and his zoning is mediocre at best, and despite having 50/50s he has the choice to make them high damaging and unsafe, or low damaging and safe so they're much better than other 50/50s, he IS an amzing character who's fantastic all around but he's not perfect.

Sweet! For some reason when I clicked post it appeared twice and I thought I had made a double post and clicked delete.....but then both of them disappeared and I decided not to bother rewriting it and that it was gone forever. Thx for saving it.

Now as to your reply.....lol....sure dude. Whatever you say.

 

[knight x1868]

 

[The Highlander]

You're acting like he has no weaknesses, but he does, he sucks against relentless rush down and armour, he has a multihitting b3 but that doesn't matter much since the armor is usually faster than the B3, without his trait his up close game and footsies suck balls and his zoning is mediocre at best, and despite having 50/50s he has the choice to make them high damaging and unsafe, or low damaging and safe so they're much better than other 50/50s, he IS an amzing character who's fantastic all around but he's not perfect.

Yea because his trait takes soooo long to recharge... His zoning is one of the best in the game dude, he is one of the few characters that gives no shits about a magic pixel. No one is saying he's perfect but he's undeniably the best.

 

[Eric The Scruffy]

Yea because his trait takes soooo long to recharge... His zoning is one of the best in the game dude, he is one of the few characters that gives no shits about a magic pixel. No one is saying he's perfect but he's undeniably the best.

I'm saying he's perfect.

 

[FrozenG3oX]

I'm almost certain that Martian's F1 is 6 frames.

its 5 yo...

 

[Youphemism]

MMH needs buffed man, I mean he obviously needs his overhead teleport to be safe and his trait should make his limbs even longer

 

[Helix123]

Yea because his trait takes soooo long to recharge... His zoning is one of the best in the game dude, he is one of the few characters that gives no shits about a magic pixel. No one is saying he's perfect but he's undeniably the best.

His trait has 7 second cooldown, what is your point? that guy was calling him perfect so i replied, his zoning is ENTIRELY read based and if he messes his reads up, you can get in easy, his zoning has good chip and controls space very well while building meter, but has a lot of start-up compared to other zoners and none of his projectiles track or go on a single line, raven, sinestro, zod, even batman and superman zone better than him, he doesn't care about the magic pixel and he's undeniably the best, but a lot of people consider him this god tier character which he's not.

 

[cheschifodisito]

good shit man

 

[xInfra Deadx]

from very close up, superman's super is 4 frames. Which is why he can punish it from closer ranges just like flashes lightning kick. mmh f1 is 5 frames. idk about zatanna but last time I checked it was 5.

No. If that was the case, Killer Frost's Slide would be punished by Superman's Super, but it doesn't.