Worst match-up in the game?

[Jonathan San Juan.]

Ok heres my problem with Scorpion 1. if you move foward he can catch you with the spear and combo you, if you move backwards he teleports basically deactivating your block and combos you if you stay still his hell fire is unblockable. he has a terrific anti air punishing jumps ins his traits resets combos is wake ups make follow up attacks largely unsuccesful. Your forced to play the entire match defensively. HE IS way OVERPOWERED like deathstroke but some how worse i hate people who just figure out who is top tier main them and consider themselves pros, it takes way more skill to make it up to 400 in king of the hill or 325 in ranked matches with Sinestro,Hawkgirl,Lobo, & Joker. I boycott top tier hell if adopted deathstoke scorpion and green lantern i could crack top 100 by saturday.

 

[Gruff757]

Ok heres my problem with Scorpion 1. if you move foward he can catch you with the spear and combo you, if you move backwards he teleports basically deactivating your block and combos you if you stay still his hell fire is unblockable. he has a terrific anti air punishing jumps ins his traits resets combos is wake ups make follow up attacks largely unsuccesful. Your forced to play the entire match defensively. HE IS way OVERPOWERED like deathstroke but some how worse i hate people who just figure out who is top tier main them and consider themselves pros, it takes way more skill to make it up to 400 in king of the hill or 325 in ranked matches with Sinestro,Hawkgirl,Lobo, & Joker. I boycott top tier hell if adopted deathstoke scorpion and green lantern i could crack top 100 by saturday.

-tosses a flame shield- good luck with that can of worms you just opened bruddah

 

[Deleted member 9158]

Dick vs Grundy is pretty even. All you need is one EX hands to get in and start wrecking face.

NW vs Hawkgirl is fucking absurd. He really has no real options against flight abuse.

I run the Grundy vs Dicky MU quite a bit with my bro poofynamanama2 and we go pretty even so I can vouch for that.

 

[Peckapowa]

This wasn't even a bad MU when it was a bad MU. Its always been in the 4-6 range, just it went from debatably 3-7 to debatably 5-5 after he lost the ability to stop us from trampling over him.

all u can do is level 3 dash, if you are in any other level its 10-0 batman is the hardest character like ever to get in on if he outzones you, he also parries a load of shit, it was debatably 8-2, now its debatably 7-3... not even, no way in hell

 

[Doombawkz]

all u can do is level 3 dash, if you are in any other level its 10-0 batman is the hardest character like ever to get in on if he outzones you, he also parries a load of shit, it was debatably 8-2, now its debatably 7-3... not even, no way in hell

Um? We can block dash and get in with two dashes. He can't zone us, he never could. We have no reason to go through batarangs we can just dash between. But your lack of knowledge on the MU is amusing.

 

[Peckapowa]

Um? We can block dash and get in with two dashes. He can't zone us, he never could. We have no reason to go through batarangs we can just dash between. But your lack of knowledge on the MU is amusing.

ok dash after i throw a projectile when i have 1 bat out, see what happens


bats must be respected at all times

i can choose to go into pressure mode or sit there and twiddle my thumbs... anytime batman outzones you, you are fucked...

i agree when bane gets in and knocks the bat down, then the bat has some problems, atleast he has parry... but its extremely difficult for you to get in... once you corner me then you get going... but my trait is way too powerful in this fight

also i can use ex batarangs in my zoning to setup b3 frame traps or long range spear traps... he has some tricks up his sleeve

 

[Doombawkz]

ok dash after i throw a projectile when i have 1 bat out, see what happens

You clip me with a little damage and the situation is still not in your favour since by the time your next bat is loaded I'll be in.

 

[G4S Silent Jay]

ok dash after i throw a projectile when i have 1 bat out, see what happens


bats must be respected at all times

i can choose to go into pressure mode or sit there and twiddle my thumbs... anytime batman outzones you, you are fucked...

i agree when bane gets in and knocks the bat down, then the bat has some problems, atleast he has parry... but its extremely difficult for you to get in... once you corner me then you get going... but my trait is way too powerful in this fight

also i can use ex batarangs in my zoning to setup b3 frame traps or long range spear traps... he has some tricks up his sleeve

And it also helps that bats dissapear if he gets push-blocked and Batman's lack of any decent Wake-Up makes this so much better for him!

Oh... Wait a minute...

 

[Peckapowa]

You clip me with a little damage and the situation is still not in your favour since by the time your next bat is loaded I'll be in.

no, i spear you for a full combo to hit confirm the bat

 

[G4S Silent Jay]

You clip me with a little damage and the situation is still not in your favour since by the time your next bat is loaded I'll be in.

Don't you know?

Batman will always have at least one bat and all Batmen have perfect Batmanagement to make it always impossible to not get zoned out free or to not be pressured into his... Well pressure since Batman doesn't really seem to have much of any legit mix-ups once you learn the MU....

Meh, Batman #1 character.

 

[Peckapowa]

And it also helps that bats dissapear if he gets push-blocked and Batman's lack of any decent Wake-Up makes this so much better for him!

Oh... Wait a minute...

please pushblock with bane

 

[Doombawkz]

bats must be respected at all times

i can choose to go into pressure mode or sit there and twiddle my thumbs... anytime batman outzones you, you are fucked...

i agree when bane gets in and knocks the bat down, then the bat has some problems, atleast he has parry... but its extremely difficult for you to get in... once you corner me then you get going... but my trait is way too powerful in this fight

also i can use ex batarangs in my zoning to setup b3 frame traps or long range spear traps... he has some tricks up his sleeve

Not really, no. I can bait you into wasting them and just be rid of them.

You could totally pressure me if I didn't eat through everything you had that isn't batarangs.

He doesn't have parry since we can low start everything that isn't just a grab. Also no, its not that difficult. We can get going anywhere on the screen because once you hit your back, you are going to take a lot of damage for free. Your trait is powerful, but it doesn't do much when you can't use it from the distance.

I can block both of those, if not armor through them. Your traps aren't all that strong.

Tricks are powerful tools to the uninitiated, but we are initiated, aren't we Bruce.

 

[Peckapowa]

Don't you know?

Batman will always have at least one bat and all Batmen have perfect Batmanagement to make it always impossible to not get zoned out free or to not be pressured into his... Well pressure since Batman doesn't really seem to have much of any legit mix-ups once you learn the MU....

Meh, Batman #1 character.

b2 trait cancel into the low is a good one... its worked vs every person i have ever played... not to mention trait crossups and his ability to loop back3s or go for a safe back 23 or put you into a frame trap off of every string for 1 bar

 

[Peckapowa]

Not really, no. I can bait you into wasting them and just be rid of them.

You could totally pressure me if I didn't eat through everything you had that isn't batarangs.

He doesn't have parry since we can low start everything that isn't just a grab. Also no, its not that difficult. We can get going anywhere on the screen because once you hit your back, you are going to take a lot of damage for free. Your trait is powerful, but it doesn't do much when you can't use it from the distance.

I can block both of those, if not armor through them. Your traps aren't all that strong.

Tricks are powerful tools to the uninitiated, but we are initiated, aren't we Bruce.

ok, then you just stood there and i held onto it

 

[Doombawkz]

ok, then you just stood there and i held onto it

Yep, enjoy your free command grab for doing nothing. You can't even theory fight properly, geez.

 

[Doombawkz]

b2 trait cancel into the low is a good one... its worked vs every person i have ever played... not to mention trait crossups and his ability to loop back3s or go for a safe back 23 or put you into a frame trap off of every string for 1 bar

"Trait-crossups" being block the way batman is going as though the bats didn't exist? Oh yeah, lemme tell ya, super effective.
It costs you 1 bar to put me into a frame trap? I build 1 bar for putting you into a frame trap

 

[G4S Silent Jay]

b2 trait cancel into the low is a good one... its worked vs every person i have ever played... not to mention trait crossups and his ability to loop back3s or go for a safe back 23 or put you into a frame trap off of every string for 1 bar

I'd prefer b2 into trait cancel is b2 was actually an overhead. You can kinda just block batman low until you see the obvious overheads. And since the cross-up is the best one he has with j2 from my experience, once he cannt get in because you can just push block the trait bats, and they get wasted. And frame-traps really only work if they don't realize it's a frame-trap.

Make someone block Batman enough, and they REALLY learn how to block Batman. Just seems like his pressure and mix-ups end up getting sevearly overrated because of how difficult they can be to deal with when you're not used to Batman.

 

[Doombawkz]

Bane vs Batman is basically
Block -> Dash -> block -> Dash cancel backdash -> Block -> Dash -> d.1 DP -> I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 4...

If guessed correctly, I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 3, if guessed correctly, repeat.
If guessed incorrectly, repeat from "I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 4".
That's basically how the MU goes. If you can get 25% guesses correct the entire time, then yeah you can maybe win.

But odds aren't in your favour to guess right all the time. For every wrong guess, you are eating about 16%-35%. You have anywhere from 6 to 12 guesses before you are dead, not including any extra damage you might end up taking.

Your odds of guessing right every time on even the smallest amount of guesses is 0.0002%. Meanwhile, we only have to make a guess between 1 and 2.

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

Bane vs Batman is basically
Block -> Dash -> block -> Dash cancel backdash -> Block -> Dash -> d.1 DP -> I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 4...

If guessed correctly, I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 3, if guessed correctly, repeat.
If guessed incorrectly, repeat from "I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 4".
That's basically how the MU goes. If you can get 25% guesses correct the entire time, then yeah you can maybe win.

But odds aren't in your favour to guess right all the time. For every wrong guess, you are eating about 16%-35%. You have anywhere from 6 to 12 guesses before you are dead, not including any extra damage you might end up taking.

you're severely underestimating how easy it is to HC the trait bat

Sure Pecka is underestimating Bane as a character....

but dude.... J2Man is hard to stop... regardless of how much armor you may possess. I've played all kinds of batman

then I played Dab...... and it made me want to quit.

 

[IrishMantis]

The Shazam Down playing is too much

 

[Doombawkz]

you're severely underestimating how easy it is to HC the trait bat

Sure Pecka is underestimating Bane as a character....

but dude.... J2Man is hard to stop... regardless of how much armor you may possess. I've played all kinds of batman

then I played Dab...... and it made me want to quit.

He doesn't seem that hard to stop to me, in fact I don't find it hard much at all. That's why I'm willing to debate it to be on the very light side of the 6-4. For all the worth his bats and jumps have, it means nothing if he never gets off the ground to begin with, or gets knocked right out of the sky each time he goes for it.

The biggest decision I have to make on wake-up is doing Body Press or Charge. He has to choose between Backdash, wake-up, jump, or block.

 

[BarryWhite]

People were saying Zatanna vs Lobo was unwinnable for Lobo.

Did that turn out to be the case?

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

He doesn't seem that hard to stop to me, in fact I don't find it hard much at all. That's why I'm willing to debate it to be on the very light side of the 6-4. For all the worth his bats and jumps have, it means nothing if he never gets off the ground to begin with, or gets knocked right out of the sky each time he goes for it.

The biggest decision I have to make on wake-up is doing Body Press or Charge. He has to choose between Backdash, wake-up, jump, or block.

The problem is touching him
I get what you're saying and all..... but he has other ways to keep you at bay other than simply doing batarangs and trait bats.

I'm not attacking you.... because I thought the same thing, then I fought someone who understood how to use him other than just going ham.

It is not fun nor is it as cookie cutter as either of you two believe it to be.

 

[Doombawkz]

The problem is touching him
I get what you're saying and all..... but he has other ways to keep you at bay other than simply doing batarangs and trait bats.

I'm not attacking you.... because I thought the same thing, then I fought someone who understood how to use him other than just going ham.

It is not fun nor is it as cookie cutter as either of you two believe it to be.

Its technically not as flowchart as I thought, but that was more satire towards his outlook on it. It would be impossible to draw out a chart for Bane since everyone has a different style with playing him. I, for one, am a very defensive style Bane and don't use d.1 DP very much.

I've fought some good bats, maybe its just that I don't go ass-over-tit with trying to rush it but I never have too many problems with it barring the occational batman. I never said its in our favour, but a 6-4 is a fair estimate and I could make a case for it being close to the even side of it. Theres still tech on the table, after all.

I think every MU is fun except for like... Black Adam.

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

Its technically not as flowchart as I thought, but that was more satire towards his outlook on it. It would be impossible to draw out a chart for Bane since everyone has a different style with playing him. I, for one, am a very defensive style Bane and don't use d.1 DP very much.

I've fought some good bats, maybe its just that I don't go ass-over-tit with trying to rush it but I never have too many problems with it barring the occational batman. I never said its in our favour, but a 6-4 is a fair estimate and I could make a case for it being close to the even side of it. Theres still tech on the table, after all.

I think every MU is fun except for like... Black Adam.

i agree that this MU is not in the realm of worst in the game

We can agree on that and let it be