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Strategy No armour? Thats bull.

Lyuben

Sinestro's might!
Why is it with every patch and DLC that we see a whole bunch of characters gain armor on ex specials? Kung Lao has it on teleport, Liu Kang on most of his specials, Johnny Cage, Night Wolf, Skarlet on many and Kenshi on practically every single special. But Sub-Zero has 0. I say give it to his ex ice ball, that thing get stopped mid air if you get hit and I would like it if it carried on at the cost of armor damage. Would really help against zoners.
 

Dark_Rob

Noob
Why is it with every patch and DLC that we see a whole bunch of characters gain armor on ex specials? Kung Lao has it on teleport, Liu Kang on most of his specials, Johnny Cage, Night Wolf, Skarlet on many and Kenshi on practically every single special. But Sub-Zero has 0. I say give it to his ex ice ball, that thing get stopped mid air if you get hit and I would like it if it carried on at the cost of armor damage. Would really help against zoners.
The difference is Liu Kang,johnny cage and Nightwolf have to burn meter and they only get one hit for it. Its almost useless unless it puts the opponent in the corner. You give Subzero armor on his EX freeze and its basically a free freeze on any jump in attack, and then the combo after it. Armor on his EX iceball would not be a small buff, it would be huge. Its risky enough as it is jumping at subzero because of the ice clone, but at least Sub has to react quick to avoid the ice clone breaking on proximity. If he had armor on his EX ice ball he could not be jumped at ever if he has a bar of meter. And for the full combo you get afterwards, no Sub would hesitate in using that meter.
 

salvificblood

Worst Sub-Zero Ever
I see your point but I would ex freeze all day if they gave this to Sub, which would be detrimental in the long run. It'd be like old Kano's upball and knife spam. I detest such simplistic, braindead approaches.

The thing I like about Sub is that he doesn't need the handouts. As players, we can take him a lot further by getting creative with the tools he already has. We have to start taking Sub further in certain matchups by exploring new things rather than asking for the abusable stuff which might not be optimal in the long run.
 

Lyuben

Sinestro's might!
The difference is Liu Kang,johnny cage and Nightwolf have to burn meter and they only get one hit for it. Its almost useless unless it puts the opponent in the corner. You give Subzero armor on his EX freeze and its basically a free freeze on any jump in attack, and then the combo after it. Armor on his EX iceball would not be a small buff, it would be huge. Its risky enough as it is jumping at subzero because of the ice clone, but at least Sub has to react quick to avoid the ice clone breaking on proximity. If he had armor on his EX ice ball he could not be jumped at ever if he has a bar of meter. And for the full combo you get afterwards, no Sub would hesitate in using that meter.
You cant jump over Kung Lao because of that spin. Or Baraka, but his spin sucks. And it could just be projectile armour anyway.
 

Kwon

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You cant jump over Kung Lao because of that spin. Or Baraka, but his spin sucks. And it could just be projectile armour anyway.
Armor on Ex freeze and it's basically a free freeze on any jump in attack on Sub.

It's risky enough as it is jumping at subzero because of the clone.
 

Lyuben

Sinestro's might!
Armor on Ex freeze and it's basically a free freeze on any jump in attack on Sub.

It's risky enough as it is jumping at subzero because of the clone.
Nice use of Ctrl C and Ctrl V. Good to also know you read my full post. I said that it could also be PROJECTILE armour, which means jump in happen.
 

Kwon

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Nice use of Ctrl C and Ctrl V. Good to also know you read my full post. I said that it could also be PROJECTILE armour, which means jump in happen.
What he was saying was that it (if it had Armor-property) would basically be a Free Freeze on jump-in attacks on Sub, not that Sub was jumping on Kung Lao or Baraka.

Thus, that Kung Lao has a spin is moot.
 

Lyuben

Sinestro's might!
What he was saying was that it (if it had Armor-property) would basically be a Free Freeze on jump-in attacks on Sub, not that Sub was jumping on Kung Lao or Baraka.

Thus, that Kung Lao has a spin is moot.
He was saying that it would make sub zero impossible to jump in on. I was saying that you cant do that on Kung Lao or Baraka anyway so its not new. And again, I suggested that It would be projectile armour. Which means that it blocks only... projectiles. A jump in punch aint a projectile. Last time I checked anyway.
 

leek

Noob
Sub-Zero doesn't need any armor. Just use his wakeup ex slide and ice clone with your ice balls all day :/
 

DanCock

Cock Master!!
subzeros clone is an armor move pretty much.

try being a sindel player.


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zee

Icy
ill give your sub zero armor if you give my kabal a ice clone....sound fair?
Only if we get your block strings too.

But IMO armor on EX-Slide might not be such a bad thing... you're not getting combos off it unless you do a very specific setup, and it's still punishable as all hell. It would be a very handy poke around low projectile or force push spams... though no one seems to be bothered.
 

Subby

Frost Warrior
Only if we get your block strings too.

But IMO armor on EX-Slide might not be such a bad thing... you're not getting combos off it unless you do a very specific setup, and it's still punishable as all hell. It would be a very handy poke around low projectile or force push spams... though no one seems to be bothered.
Agreed. Would stop spamming projectiles.
 

zee

Icy
Keep thinking that
Keep "thinking" what? Tom has mentioned that he doesn't want to get stuck in a match-up situation at EVO if he played as Sub. He's said this more than once - on stream. This is why he will be using Kung Lao in the tournament that he "really wants to win". What's your issue with that?
 

D_Matt_Ma

Sheeva isn't Goro's wife. Goro is her husband.
I think the problem is people are giving armor too much credit. Sheeva and Stryker both have Armor moves, and they are both THE WORST wake-up characters in the entire game. Armor is not a magic solve all solution. Sub-Zero still has an average at worst wake-up and defense game, and that's currently without armor.
 

babalook

Noob
Only if we get your block strings too.

But IMO armor on EX-Slide might not be such a bad thing... you're not getting combos off it unless you do a very specific setup, and it's still punishable as all hell. It would be a very handy poke around low projectile or force push spams... though no one seems to be bothered.
alright then i want to 22
 
Sub needs no buffs/fixes? Have you all forgotten ice puddle? Go ahead.... try it out then come back here and post :p

It's one thing to be able to win, it's a completely different thing for a fight to be such a ridiculous uphill battle that you might as well counterpick. Being zoned to death by someone who is great at it makes you realize sub needs a tool for zoners.

If noob's portals got a slight buff and it helped him out a great deal, imagine what a working ice puddle might do. I'd say remove the puddle and give him the ice rain from the old mk's.

Armor is too much though : /
 

Dark_Rob

Noob
Sub needs no buffs/fixes? Have you all forgotten ice puddle? Go ahead.... try it out then come back here and post :p

It's one thing to be able to win, it's a completely different thing for a fight to be such a ridiculous uphill battle that you might as well counterpick. Being zoned to death by someone who is great at it makes you realize sub needs a tool for zoners.

If noob's portals got a slight buff and it helped him out a great deal, imagine what a working ice puddle might do. I'd say remove the puddle and give him the ice rain from the old mk's.

Armor is too much though : /
Ice puddle is a worthless move aside from a few sneaky reset setups. And he doesnt need it to win anyway. You guys do realize your asking for buffs to a top tier character right? Subzero isnt really a character you can buff without making him ridiculous. Anyone here remember Subzero from the MK9 demo?? Sooooooooo broken.

EDIT: Ice shower???? Are you kidding me??? He would be beyond broken.