WW3 Imminent, or are we already there?

A F0xy Grampa said:

Because war and slavery have both made America powerful, slavery is illegal now, so you still have the option of war.

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Dude this is fucking gross... Fuck this thread.

Shaazzyam said:

Yeah but...


They can't take away our love Dab<3

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Aww don't make me cry!!! <3

IMakeItL00kC00L said:

Dab is forever

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Aww you guys are the best love y'all!!! <3

Alright, time to start balancing this discussion out.

On the subject of WW3:
Advanced war today is of a drastically different nature than it was half a century ago. Strength is not measured in numbers of walking troops, but in precision strike capabilities, stealth capabilities, satellite intelligence, and missile defense.

We will never see anything analogous to WW2, because war simply doesn't look like it does then. Advanced military weaponry wreaks far more havoc, everyone knows this, and it keeps larger conflicts at a relative standstill.

On the subject of US support of Israel:
This is one of those complex issues. Although many in the US are against Israel's occupation of land protected by international law (and many in the Govt. as well), our 2-party system has a very narrow margin between being in power and losing it. So Obama, and other govt. figureheads know that taking a more aggressive against Israel would mean losing enough of the vote to be ousted from power -- in which case, you're unable to get anything done anyway.

This is because the President doesn't run our country; the Congress does. This means that things which cause a shift in the power balance of Congress actually render the President unable to do anything at all, even while he is in office. The system was created that way to protect the people -- but when enough of the people become uneducated and biased (just enough to tip the majority), it has drastic effects on our national and international policy.

Most people who vote in this country are fairly evenly split along the party lines for Domestic reasons (chiefly Economic and social ones), which means that the needle doesn't have to move very far in either direction in order to change the balance of power -- so each foreign policy decision becomes as much of an internal chess move as an external one.

This is also the reason we've been unable to downsize our military spending.

Just like a lot if the issues in other countries, there really is no simple answer to these kinds of things; these are layered issues that are difficult to unravel.

Sort of not on topic but I love living in New Zealand. Man we have absolute freedom and were kind of ignorant towards all the wars going on throughout the world. I mean yeah our news stations cover it but for the most part war isn't overly talked about.

In fact thinking about it this might seem weird to you guys but i'm almost 19 years old and i've literally never even seen a gun in real life. All this talk about people needing guns has never made sense to me, hell our police don't even carry guns on them unless they're part of our armed defenders squad. They have a pistol in their vehicle and thats it.

Hades said:

Sort of not on topic but I love living in New Zealand. Man we have absolute freedom and were kind of ignorant towards all the wars going on throughout the world. I mean yeah our news stations cover it but for the most part war isn't overly talked about.

In fact thinking about it this might seem weird to you guys but i'm almost 19 years old and i've literally never even seen a gun in real life. All this talk about people needing guns has never made sense to me, hell our police don't even carry guns on them unless they're part of our armed defenders squad. They have a pistol in their vehicle and thats it.

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There are no hunters in NZ?

Jaku2011 said:

Dude this is fucking gross... Fuck this thread.

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Are you gonna deny the truth? Britain is only strong for the exact same reasons too.

Hades said:

Sort of not on topic but I love living in New Zealand. Man we have absolute freedom and were kind of ignorant towards all the wars going on throughout the world.

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Really? Last I heard, New Zealand was one of the bloodiest, darkest battlegrounds on the planet:


New Zealand:

A F0xy Grampa said:

Are you gonna deny the truth? Britain is only strong for the exact same reasons too.

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There are more people in slavery today than has ever been in the history of the human race. Some 28 million or so is believed.

CrimsonShadow said:

Alright, time to start balancing this discussion out.

On the subject of WW3:
Advanced war today is of a drastically different nature than it was half a century ago. Strength is not measured in numbers of walking troops, but in precision strike capabilities, stealth capabilities, satellite intelligence, and missile defense.

We will never see anything analogous to WW2, because war simply doesn't look like it does then. Advanced military weaponry wreaks far more havoc, everyone knows this, and it keeps larger conflicts at a relative standstill.

On the subject of US support of Israel:
This is one of those complex issues. Although many in the US are against Israel's occupation of land protected by international law (and many in the Govt. as well), our 2-party system has a very narrow margin between being in power and losing it. So Obama, and other govt. figureheads know that taking a more aggressive against Israel would mean losing enough of the vote to be ousted from power -- in which case, you're unable to get anything done anyway.

This is because the President doesn't run our country; the Congress does. This means that things which cause a shift in the power balance of Congress actually render the President unable to do anything at all, even while he is in office. The system was created that way to protect the people -- but when enough of the people become uneducated and biased (just enough to tip the majority), it has drastic effects on our national and international policy.

Most people who vote in this country are fairly evenly split along the party lines for Domestic reasons (chiefly Economic and social ones), which means that the needle doesn't have to move very far in either direction in order to change the balance of power -- so each foreign policy decision becomes as much of an internal chess move as an external one.

This is also the reason we've been unable to downsize our military spending.

Just like a lot if the issues in other countries, there really is no simple answer to these kinds of things; these are layered issues that are difficult to unravel.

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So, long story short...


Israeli lobbyists have Obama by the balls.

Obama tried to threaten them and the Israeli lobbyists shut him down so quick he could not even finish the sentence.

The fact that no other continent except South America is saying anything about this genocide speaks volume. In fact, we're pretty much endorsing it now.

But hey, I guess whatever geopolitical profit the U.S. gets from this is totally worth it.

Meanwhile, Israel is bombing the shit out of schools and hospitals:http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/30/world/meast/mideast-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

CrimsonShadow said:

Alright, time to start balancing this discussion out.

On the subject of WW3:
Advanced war today is of a drastically different nature than it was half a century ago. Strength is not measured in numbers of walking troops, but in precision strike capabilities, stealth capabilities, satellite intelligence, and missile defense.

We will never see anything analogous to WW2, because war simply doesn't look like it does then. Advanced military weaponry wreaks far more havoc, everyone knows this, and it keeps larger conflicts at a relative standstill.

On the subject of US support of Israel:
This is one of those complex issues. Although many in the US are against Israel's occupation of land protected by international law (and many in the Govt. as well), our 2-party system has a very narrow margin between being in power and losing it. So Obama, and other govt. figureheads know that taking a more aggressive against Israel would mean losing enough of the vote to be ousted from power -- in which case, you're unable to get anything done anyway.

This is because the President doesn't run our country; the Congress does. This means that things which cause a shift in the power balance of Congress actually render the President unable to do anything at all, even while he is in office. The system was created that way to protect the people -- but when enough of the people become uneducated and biased (just enough to tip the majority), it has drastic effects on our national and international policy.

Most people who vote in this country are fairly evenly split along the party lines for Domestic reasons (chiefly Economic and social ones), which means that the needle doesn't have to move very far in either direction in order to change the balance of power -- so each foreign policy decision becomes as much of an internal chess move as an external one.

This is also the reason we've been unable to downsize our military spending.

Just like a lot if the issues in other countries, there really is no simple answer to these kinds of things; these are layered issues that are difficult to unravel.

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The WW3 thing I agree with.

After that you start spreading some misinformation. The Congress does not run the country even though in recent years it seems that way. While it is true they can control a majority of domestic policy, the way the system is set up the president has the power when it comes to foreign policy. He acts as chief diplomat when speaking to other nations, and his secretary of state Kerry has been trying to broker peace talks(and failed miserably because you cant reason with crazy f***s). So really the Congress has had nothing to do with the Israel-Gaza situation, as it shouldnt.

I also disagree with Obama being scared of losing power. He is on his last term and at this point he will stay in power for only two more years(Unless the republicans make good on their promise to impeach him, which they wont because they know they have absolutely no basis for doing so). What Obama and the executive branch are really worried about is ruining relations with Israel, because whether Obama likes them or not(He said in a phone call three years ago that he was tired of dealing with the Israeli prime minister) they are one of our allies. The U.S. does not want to act alone in the matter because they do not want to start a war with Israel, which is why they are trying to do their best to support Egypt's plan for peace and rally support for peace in the U.N.

Shaazzyam said:

So, long story short...


Israeli lobbyists have Obama by the balls.

Obama tried to threaten them and the Israeli lobbyists shut him down so quick he could not even finish the sentence.

The fact that no other continent except South America is saying anything about this genocide speaks volume. In fact, we're pretty much endorsing it now.

But hey, I guess whatever geopolitical profit the U.S. gets from this is totally worth it.

Meanwhile, Israel is bombing the shit out of schools and hospitals:http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/30/world/meast/mideast-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

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Literally none of that is true(save the article).

Obama has had multiple talks with the Israeli prime minister that have been downright threatening them to accept the cease fire. Kerry was trying to broker a cease fire and actually managed to piss Israel off because he didnt include enough restrictions on the Gazans.

Like I said above, there have been lots of talks in the Executive branch about Gaza-Israel. Kerry himself has made multiple phone calls to both sides and their allies in order to try and get a cease fire. To say no one is talking about Gaza-Israel is straight up ignorant.

The only thing the U.S. hasnt done to try and end the conflict is launch a military intervention, and that is a bad idea on so many levels.

Zoidberg747 said:

The WW3 thing I agree with.

After that you start spreading some misinformation. The Congress does not run the country even though in recent years it seems that way. While it is true they can control a majority of domestic policy, the way the system is set up the president has the power when it comes to foreign policy. He acts as chief diplomat when speaking to other nations, and his secretary of state Kerry has been trying to broker peace talks(and failed miserably because you cant reason with crazy f***s). So really the Congress has had nothing to do with the Israel-Gaza situation, as it shouldnt.

I also disagree with Obama being scared of losing power. He is on his last term and at this point he will stay in power for only two more years(Unless the republicans make good on their promise to impeach him, which they wont because they know they have absolutely no basis for doing so). What Obama and the executive branch are really worried about is ruining relations with Israel, because whether Obama likes them or not(He said in a phone call three years ago that he was tired of dealing with the Israeli prime minister) they are one of our allies. The U.S. does not want to act alone in the matter because they do not want to start a war with Israel, which is why they are trying to do their best to support Egypt's plan for peace and rally support for peace in the U.N.

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We still believe that the president makes decisions in this day and age?

Chakk dizzle said:

We still believe that the president makes decisions in this day and age?

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He has advisors and agencies telling him what to do but he still has to decide who to listen to and what to do. The Executive order that raises the minimum wage for government workers is one of many examples.

I will say that Congress has made it almost impossible for Obama to do anything significant in the domestic sphere, but to say that he doesn't ever make decisions is a huge stretch.

Zoidberg747 said:

The WW3 thing I agree with.



Literally none of that is true(save the article).

Obama has had multiple talks with the Israeli prime minister that have been downright threatening them to accept the cease fire. Kerry was trying to broker a cease fire and actually managed to piss Israel off because he didnt include enough restrictions on the Gazans.

Like I said above, there have been lots of talks in the Executive branch about Gaza-Israel. Kerry himself has made multiple phone calls to both sides and their allies in order to try and get a cease fire. To say no one is talking about Gaza-Israel is straight up ignorant.

The only thing the U.S. hasnt done to try and end the conflict is launch a military intervention, and that is a bad idea on so many levels.

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First of all, Israel are not the ones declining the cease fire. Hammas is.

Secondly, The US is providing the funding, military technology, diplomatic and political cover, and media propaganda to ensure that this happens for as long as Israel wants.

If the US was merely neutral, it would be 100% different.

The US and Israel don't see fully eye to eye, yeah. There's tension, and different points of view. But the US is absolutely not doing nothing right now.

It's not even like they haven't done it before.

US seems to pretty much always turn a blind eye if it is a geopolitical benefit, no matter how many atrocities are being committed. (See: Israel, Bahrain uprising)

Well I learned a decent bit about Israel through this thread, I guess I've been too preoccupied thinking about the Ukraine business to consider what's going on over there right now

juicepouch said:

Well I learned a decent bit about Israel through this thread, I guess I've been too preoccupied thinking about the Ukraine business to consider what's going on over there right now

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So what do you think so far?

Zoidberg747 said:

The WW3 thing I agree with.

After that you start spreading some misinformation. The Congress does not run the country even though in recent years it seems that way. While it is true they can control a majority of domestic policy, the way the system is set up the president has the power when it comes to foreign policy. He acts as chief diplomat when speaking to other nations, and his secretary of state Kerry has been trying to broker peace talks(and failed miserably because you cant reason with crazy f***s). So really the Congress has had nothing to do with the Israel-Gaza situation, as it shouldnt.

I also disagree with Obama being scared of losing power. He is on his last term and at this point he will stay in power for only two more years(Unless the republicans make good on their promise to impeach him, which they wont because they know they have absolutely no basis for doing so). What Obama and the executive branch are really worried about is ruining relations with Israel, because whether Obama likes them or not(He said in a phone call three years ago that he was tired of dealing with the Israeli prime minister) they are one of our allies. The U.S. does not want to act alone in the matter because they do not want to start a war with Israel, which is why they are trying to do their best to support Egypt's plan for peace and rally support for peace in the U.N.

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This is totally untrue. Obama can't do anything major (especially something with far-reaching international implications) without authorization from Congress. There are checks and balances in place, and Presidents do not act on their own with regard to foreign policy. It's not the term that matters -- if you want to get anything done in those 2 years, you need the backing of Congress, and keeping the power to pass legislation is a very narrow path to walk.

It's not about fear -- it's about the necessary caveats of the political machine. Stray too far to one side and you become ineffective for the rest of your term. 'Lame duck president' is a real thing, and the opposition will not hesitate to seize any momentum they can in order to regain control.

I wish things didn't work this way, but it's the system we have.

They better not cut off my internet when WW3 is happening. Or bomb foodstores and destroy hennep farms. That would be superannoying

A F0xy Grampa said:

Look on the map at all the fighting hotspots on the planet at the moment, who's fighting who and where people are moving troops about etc. You'll realise its World War 3, at least geographically.

I've been looking around at all the conflicts going on, and how they're linked, and the potential they have to cause shit storms amongst one another. (CBA to post what I've seen because its too long)

Whats everybody elses thoughts, to anybody else thats been keeping up to date?

Things to consider:

- Flight MH17 (Blown up on the 18th anniversary of a similar incident, and event crucial enough to draw international attention to Ukraine) and MH370
- Middle east, Gaza & Israel
- Chinese Seas
- Korea
- Africa

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Dude are you kidding me? You think we'll have an intelligent, well informed, fact-based (NOT OPINION) discussion about this on TYM?

smh...

CrimsonShadow said:

This is totally untrue. Obama can't do anything major (especially something with far-reaching international implications) without authorization from Congress. There are checks and balances in place, and Presidents do not act on their own with regard to foreign policy. It's not the term that matters -- if you want to get anything done in those 2 years, you need the backing of Congress, and keeping the power to pass legislation is a very narrow path to walk.

It's not about fear -- it's about the necessary caveats of the political machine. Stray too far to one side and you become ineffective for the rest of your term. 'Lame duck president' is a real thing, and the opposition will not hesitate to seize any momentum they can in order to regain control.

I wish things didn't work this way, but it's the system we have.

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I rarely agree with anything you say, but this is 100% spot on and the complete truth.

Ninj said:

Dude are you kidding me? You think we'll have an intelligent, well informed, fact-based (NOT OPINION) discussion about this on TYM?

smh...

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There are a lot of valid concerns that have been raised on both sides of the discussion. Opinions have also made their way in to some of the posts, but any open-minded reader shouldn't have a problem sifting through it all to make up their own minds. That's kind of how it works with most discussions anywhere.

You're always welcome to add an "intelligent, well informed, fact-based" point of your own, if you're not too busy shaking your head.

ww3 will happen and it could be soon for all you bible heads out there, the bible says that the end of the world could come at any time and in the end of times there will be many wars and death all around the world as people will turn on each other. then Jesus will come down and save those that accept him and burn the rest of the earth leaving those to die who didn't accept him who will then burn in hell for eternity. haha yeap ww3 and maybe even a ww4. sorry for all the religious stuff.

JLG said:

There are a lot of valid concerns that have been raised on both sides of the discussion. Opinions have also made their way in to some of the posts, but any open-minded reader shouldn't have a problem sifting through it all to make up their own minds. That's kind of how it works with most discussions anywhere.

You're always welcome to add an "intelligent, well informed, fact-based" point of your own, if you're not too busy shaking your head.

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Maybe the other guy is right idk.
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SkaGoogle said:

ww3 will happend and it could be soon for all you bible heads out there , the bible says that in the end of times there will be many wars and death all around the world as people will turn on each other. then Jesus will come down and save those that accept him and burn the rest of the earth leaving those to die who didn't accept him who will then burn in hell for eternity. haha yeap ww3 and maybe even a ww4.

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