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DarksydeDash

DarksydeDash

You know me as RisingShieldBro online.
LEGEND said:
Has anyone tested to see if they can forward dash or MB B3 cancel to get out? I thought about this but the J2's frame data made me think it shouldn't work

Maybe the same side divebomb will stuff those options anyway. Someone test, i dont have my copy
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I have, you can't push a button.
 
Hidan

Hidan

Where the hell is Reiko's wheel kick
StevoSuprem0 said:
It's the nature of divebomb. It hits ambiguous as hell and almost always LOOKS like it's crossing up, but can hit on either side depending on the timing. In this setup, however, it looks like it crosses up but hits on the same side it's launched from.

Is this better than traditional divebomb vortexes though? I feel like it's a lot slower and easier to react to once you are familiar with the setup.
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There is nothing ambiguous if you are standing, he just might land behind you if he aims for the head, making it easier to punish
 
Hidan

Hidan

Where the hell is Reiko's wheel kick
Great job @DarksydeDash and everyone else involved in the vortex stuff. I dont know how this will evolve, but even if it has half the efficiency of other vortexes, the sharing on this is great as an act alone. Thank you
 
ll Nooby ll

ll Nooby ll

To Live is to Die
Under_The_Mayo said:
How can a crossup hit on the "Same side"? Doesn't that mean that it's not a cross up?
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I believe he means that in terms of blocking, you'll have to reverse the direction. But visually, the dive bomb will "hit" them in the front.

Grundy has a cross up in the corner with F3 after an AA Grab, that doesn't put Grundy on the other side but you must block as if he was on the other side.
 
StevoSuprem0

StevoSuprem0

I'm gonna make this skill gap... disappear.
Hidan said:
There is nothing ambiguous if you are standing, he just might land behind you if he aims for the head, making it easier to punish
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I was talking about normal divebomb setups (OTGs and such), not this one specifically.
 
Everlast

Everlast

KTG | EVERLAST
There are so many things myself, quantum and knoterror have added to this setup but I don't have time to post it. I tried to show darksydedash in a private so he might post it before I get to.
 
Everlast

Everlast

KTG | EVERLAST
The ground smash does not cross up midsrceen unless its done in certain situations. Also I cannot get the F3 to cross up in any situation which sucks.
 
YOMI_SLAYER

YOMI_SLAYER

Noob
SORRY BUT THIS IS NOT EVEN A NEARLY VIABLE VORTEX. IF YOU BLOCK THE DIVEBOMB ITS FULL COMBO PUNISHABLE AND IF THEY HOLD FORWARD AT THE LAST SECOND AND YOU WIFF JUMP 3 YOU WILL ALSO GET FULL COMBO PUNISHED. DONT WORRY I WILL BE MAKING A SUPERMAN STRATEGY GUIDE VERY SOON FOR ALL =)
 
Everlast

Everlast

KTG | EVERLAST
This is all the options that I have come up with when it comes to making the opponents guess in the "Vortex"

Off of MB Breath:
-Dash in NJ2, J3 (cross up)
-Dash in NJ2, Divebomb (not cross up)
-Dash in NJ1, B1 (NJ1 and B1 does not link)~Scoop or MB Breath
-Dash in NJ2, Jump over B1~ect...
-Jump Forward, Air Dash over 2, J3 cross up
-Jump Forward, Air Dash over 2, Divebomb
-Jump Forward, Air Dash over 1, B1~ect...
-Dash in, NJ2, F2~trait, Divebomb
-Dash in, NJ2, F2~trait, B1~ect....
-Dash in, NJ2, F2~trait, MB F3
-Dash in, NJ2, F2~trait~F3 Bounce cancel
-Dash in, NJ2, F2~trait, J3 (cross up)
*NOTE: All NJ2, F2~trait options can be used after a Jump Forward, Air Dash over 2. Example: Jump Forward, Air Dash over 2, F2~trait, Divebomb.
-Dash in, NJ, Low Air Dash over 2 into all J2 or J1 options. Example: Dash in NJ, Low Air Dash over 2, J3 cross up.

Bonus Choices:
-Dash in, NJ2, J3 (cross up), Divebomb (cross up)
-Dash in, NJ3, Divebomb.
-Dash in, NJ2, Divebomb, (take a step forward) F3.
-Can do two Divebombs in a row mid screen. Kinda hard but doable.
-End vortex with a D3
D3 Options:
-D3, Dash in, NJ3 (Cross up or not depending on when you do the J3)
-D3, Dash in, Jump Back 2, F23 ect.....
-D3, Dash in, Jump Back, Air Dash over 2 or 3, ect....
-D3, Dash in, Jump Forward, Air Dash back over 2 or 3 ect...
-D3, Instant Air Dash over 2 or 3 ect...
-D3, Divebomb.
-D3, Dash in, MB F3

Bonus Note: I don't know if this is really known but you can Cancel any special move off of Trait, even Bounce Cancels. Also a J2~Bounce Cancel. Just thought I would throw this out there just in case we want to use these options.

EDIT NOTE: On regular or big hitbox characters he can choose to Dash in, D1~Trait, Instant NJ2~Divebomb or D1~Trait, B1~MB Breath or Scoop for a OH/Low mixup.

I may find more options so if I do or you guys find more options I will add to this.
 
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IrishMantis

IrishMantis

Most humble shit talker ever!!!
Why wasnt this front paged?

1 thing i found it doesn't work on all chars because of there hit out of freeze animation, think it was Zod is one of them, its a good way to get in trait but down either Divebomb or J3 D2 T MB Freeze them you can get a 1 Bar 47-60$ combo from that

another thing i found is if stagebounce an Op and do a late MB Breath, you can Trait go for the mix up without jump 2 because of the range ur at
 
DarksydeDash

DarksydeDash

You know me as RisingShieldBro online.
NRF Everlast said:
This is all the options that I have come up with when it comes to making the opponents guess in the "Vortex"

Off of MB Breath:
-Dash in NJ2, J3 (cross up)
-Dash in NJ2, Divebomb (not cross up)
-Dash in NJ1, B1 (NJ1 and B1 does not link)~Scoop or MB Breath
-Dash in NJ2, Jump over B1~ect...
-Jump Forward, Air Dash over 2, J3 cross up
-Jump Forward, Air Dash over 2, Divebomb
-Jump Forward, Air Dash over 1, B1~ect...
-Dash in, NJ2, F2~trait, Divebomb
-Dash in, NJ2, F2~trait, B1~ect....
-Dash in, NJ2, F2~trait, MB F3
-Dash in, NJ2, F2~trait~F3 Bounce cancel
-Dash in, NJ2, F2~trait, J3 (cross up)
*NOTE: All NJ2, F2~trait options can be used after a Jump Forward, Air Dash over 2. Example: Jump Forward, Air Dash over 2, F2~trait, Divebomb.
-Dash in, NJ, Low Air Dash over 2 into all J2 or J1 options. Example: Dash in NJ, Low Air Dash over 2, J3 cross up.

Bonus Choices:
-Dash in, NJ2, J3 (cross up), Divebomb (cross up)
-Dash in, NJ3, Divebomb.
-Dash in, NJ2, Divebomb, (take a step forward) F3.
-Can do two Divebombs in a row mid screen. Kinda hard but doable.
-End vortex with a D3
D3 Options:
-D3, Dash in, NJ3 (Cross up or not depending on when you do the J3)
-D3, Dash in, Jump Back 2, F23 ect.....
-D3, Dash in, Jump Back, Air Dash over 2 or 3, ect....
-D3, Dash in, Jump Forward, Air Dash back over 2 or 3 ect...
-D3, Instant Air Dash over 2 or 3 ect...
-D3, Divebomb.
-D3, Dash in, MB F3

Bonus Note: I don't know if this is really known but you can Cancel any special move off of Trait, even Bounce Cancels. Also a J2~Bounce Cancel. Just thought I would throw this out there just in case we want to use these options.

EDIT NOTE: On regular or big hitbox characters he can choose to Dash in, D1~Trait, Instant NJ2~Divebomb or D1~Trait, B1~MB Breath or Scoop for a OH/Low mixup.

I may find more options so if I do or you guys find more options I will add to this.
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Something I found that works really well is dash up and jump forward as your opponent unfreezes. Originally, you needed to neutral jump for the divebomb but for this you jump forward for both options, making it really hard to react to. The down side is you lose that extra damage from the j2. This can be even more brutal if you use dash up and heat zap them as they unfreeze as its forced to be blocked and puts you in their face at +20. If you have trait you can stand 3xx trait for many mixups and frame traps. For example, the standing 3 will push them out of range of d1 or most d2's so you can get a max range (MB) f3. If they block it you are at +8 so you either, get a forward dash to push them farther into the corner or read a back dash, IA dash over them, f23 frame trap, etc. Its all about applying more guessing games if they guess right, cause whats better then a vortex? A VORTEX IN A VORTEX, THATS WHAT! ;)
 
DarksydeDash

DarksydeDash

You know me as RisingShieldBro online.
@NRF Everlast
I forgot to mention that for smaller characters you need to slightly jump more forward for the j3 and divebomb to connect. But anyway, what do you think?
 
Endeavor

Endeavor

I'll live a villain, before I die a hero.
So my biggest issue so far is weather or not this is a true "vortex" or simply another gimmick. From what I have read a lot people are saying its just a nice gimmick but I have also read in this thread that people are saying its viable. So which one is it?
 
DarksydeDash

DarksydeDash

You know me as RisingShieldBro online.
Kyle Rayner said:
So my biggest issue so far is weather or not this is a true "vortex" or simply another gimmick. From what I have read a lot people are saying its just a nice gimmick but I have also read in this thread that people are saying its viable. So which one is it?
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I say its viable but there are some issues with smaller characters, mostly timing.
 
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