Match-up Discussion Ermac Matchup chart by Metzos

[Metzos]

Sonya probably beats Ermac worse than 6-4 lol. Cant wait to run this MU with Metzos. I feel like a lot of MUs will be changing once I play him :16Bit

The only thing that will change, if we ever play, will be your opinion about Ermac and nothing more m8.

 

[Metzos]

How is Kitana vs Ermac 5-5 and Sonya is 4.5-5.5 with Ermac winning? Sonya is a cheap, ridiculous character and fighting against her with any zoning character is a pain in the ass. Even when I try to spam Sonya to death with Sindel or Liu Kang fireballs, Sonya ALWAYS gets in, Blondie is filled with dirty tricks and she is like Mission Impossible to keep out. Oh yeah, I hear this too... Sonya is easy to zone out... that is BS! She can outzone you if she hits you first with her Pink Rings and she can even keep you out with her loaded options of AA. She is like Cage, she can lock you down and hard to get that leech lady off you.

What does Kitana have? D1 long poke F2,1-2,1,-Jump Kick~Fan range combo starters, big damage, air projectile combo
Sonya has Mileena D4 poke range, Dive Kick, MS, Pink Rings, big damage, can't poke/jump AA options and ARMOR -_-*

Since no one uses Ermac offline supposedly bottom tier.. I guess that Sonya MU will stay 5.5-4.5 Ermac wins.
In theory, I would put it 5-5 they both give each other problems, maybe 6-4 in Sonya's favor.. who knows.

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[Metzos]

metzos13 I feel Ermac vs Sub is 6-4 ermac

I wouldnt say a 6-4. I would say a 5.5 in Ermac's favor.

 

[RTM2004]

5-5 vs Mileena (don't agree)

I personally feel this is 6-4 in Ermac's favor. He can't zone her but he can turtle her, keep her rushdown out with his TKP, punish her very hard with 40% high damage combos consistently on a blocked Teleport Kick/Roll and by Force Lift her off the ground. Not only that, messed up her instant Air Sai zoning game from full screen since he can Teleport~Lift combo punish. Mileena's damage output is measly but her speed is faster than Ermac, her 4,2, D3, D4 are annoying up close, Ermac can put her in check with F4~Grab mix ups. I think the more Ermac players that are solid and on stream against high Mileena level players will truly show the Ermac vs Mileena MU is indeed 6-4 in his favor, it's only a matter of time when people wake up.

 

[Metzos]

I personally feel this is 6-4 in Ermac's favor. He can't zone her but he can turtle her, keep her rushdown out with his TKP, punish her very hard with 40% high damage combos consistently on a blocked Teleport Kick/Roll and by Force Lift her off the ground. Not only that, messed up her instant Air Sai zoning game from full screen since he can Teleport~Lift combo punish. Mileena's damage output is measly but her speed is faster than Ermac, her 4,2, D3, D4 are annoying up close, Ermac can put her in check with F4~Grab mix ups. I think the more Ermac players that are solid and on stream against high Mileena level players will truly show the Ermac vs Mileena MU is indeed 6-4 in his favor, it's only a matter of time when people wake up.

I know. I just put it as even for the sake of the project for the MU charts we are doing, cause everyone else thinks Ermac's zoning is "overrated". I m done trying to convince anyone else that Ermac is a solid character. Imo i too believe its a 6-4 in Ermac's favor. What ppl MUST understand is that Ermac's zoning is NOT like any zoner. He is forcing you to keep blocking all the time cause of the TKP. As you said, i too believe its only a matter of time that people will wake up and understand how powerful Ermac truly is.

 

[ragnar0kz28]

Im actually trying him after I saw Detroit and wow i liked the match vs CDJR too bad ermac doest do good agains some chars like smoke, cage, sektor and some chars many ppl pick

 

[Metzos]

Im actually trying him after I saw Detroit and wow i liked the match vs CDJR too bad ermac doest do good agains some chars like smoke, cage, sektor and some chars many ppl pick

He fairs well against the characters you mentioned IF you know how to play against them. I ve been saying Ermac was solid since i joined this community and your post proves just how biased are many community members here, no offence. Know the MU and you know your enemy. Simple as that. Characters dont make players. Players make characters, especially in MK.

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[ragnar0kz28]

He fairs well against the characters you mentioned IF you know how to play against them. I ve been saying Ermac was solid since i joined this community and your post proves just how biased are many community members here, no offence. Know the MU and you know your enemy. Simple as that. Characters dont make players. Players make characters, especially in MK.

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Sorry Im new to using him I feel he cant play rush too well against low hitbox chars 312 1 and 2 miss standing 1 stanging 2 miss only ->4 works and its not a continuable combo what options do I have agains sektor mileena smoke and prettymuch everyone that I cant hit whit some normals?

 

[UsedForGlue]

He fairs well against the characters you mentioned IF you know how to play against them. I ve been saying Ermac was solid since i joined this community and your post proves just how biased are many community members here, no offence. Know the MU and you know your enemy. Simple as that. Characters dont make players. Players make characters, especially in MK.

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Its true.

I used to hate CSZ vs Kitana and Kabal, but ive been realising for a while now, no matter how bad the match, I can win it if I want it and play well enough.

This goes for Ermac especially.

 

[Metzos]

Sorry Im new to using him I feel he cant play rush too well against low hitbox chars 312 1 and 2 miss standing 1 stanging 2 miss only ->4 works and its not a continuable combo what options do I have agains sektor mileena smoke and prettymuch everyone that I cant hit whit some normals?

Thing is, you dont rush down with Ermac. You create spacing. He excells at that. Thats why i believe his strings arent that good as other characters strings. After a blocked jp you can do B114. Good chip dmg, good meter build and you have your opponent exactly where you want him. Sweep range. From there you can mix it up. U4, IAFB (instant air fire-blast), F4,, D4, D3, dash in and throw, F2, or simply backdash and go to TKP range. Also a good thing to do is B114 on block, charge B2 and cancel it to backdash to back away even further from your opponent. You can also use, after a blocked jp, F2 which on block is +4. Opponent cannot jump out of it cause it will catch them airborne and you can combo afterwards with lift. Ermac has many options if you explore the character enough. Too bad US hadnt all this time. And Detroit didnt even use all of his tools against CD jr from what i saw in his matches. He said though that his Ermac was still in early stages.

 

[Cibernetico]

Couldn't agree more with all that you have said Metzos. If there is one thing that sorts of annoys me about the fgc is how much bias there is towards high prolific players. No offense against detroit who is a hell of a lot better player than me, but I was watching some of those videos and was scratching my head on some of the stuff he was doing. But like you said, even he admitted that his Ermac play wasn't exactly up to par due to the fact he just recently started playing him. Going to be interesting to see what he can do with this character if he decides to stick with him although I honestly don't think he can find anything new that we haven't seen already.

Like I've said before, this character is just too limited but the tools he has works if you know how to utilize them. And like Metzos has said time and time again, this is not your typical zoning character. You actually have to play his zoning game much different than you would like a character who does the traditional zoning.

 

[ragnar0kz28]

Thing is, you dont rush down with Ermac. You create spacing. He excells at that. Thats why i believe his strings arent that good as other characters strings. After a blocked jp you can do B114. Good chip dmg, good meter build and you have your opponent exactly where you want him. Sweep range. From there you can mix it up. U4, IAFB (instant air fire-blast), F4,, D4, D3, dash in and throw, F2, or simply backdash and go to TKP range. Also a good thing to do is B114 on block, charge B2 and cancel it to backdash to back away even further from your opponent. You can also use after a blocked jp F2 which on block is +4. Opponent cannot jump out of it cause it will catch them airborne and you can combo afterwards with lift. Ermac has many options if you explore the character enough. Too bad US hadnt all this time. And Detroit didnt even use all of his tools against CD jr from what i saw in his matches. He said though that his Ermac was still in early stages.

I will try that im still learing him since I wanted to lear a new char a defensive one im tooooo used to Kitana being good agains pretty much everyone but kenshi, but there is not enuf footage of Ermac high level play againt some chars so I might have to find out on my own

 

[SunnyD]

I will try that im still learing him since I wanted to lear a new char a defensive one im tooooo used to Kitana being good agains pretty much everyone but kenshi, but there is not enuf footage of Ermac high level play againt some chars so I might have to find out on my own

 

[Metzos]

I will try that im still learing him since I wanted to lear a new char a defensive one im tooooo used to Kitana being good agains pretty much everyone but kenshi, but there is not enuf footage of Ermac high level play againt some chars so I might have to find out on my own

Check the Ermac Video Thread. There are many videos of my Ermac there much more recent than those SunnyD posted.

http://testyourmight.com/threads/ermac-video-thread.2667/page-9

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[Espio]

I agree with the Stryker and Jade match ups completely.

I definitely think Stryker and Ermac's space control really keeps each other in check. Up close their normals are about even in speed from what I can tell as well. This match up is kind of tricky, but can go either way.

 

[ragnar0kz28]

Check the Ermac Video Thread. There are many videos of my Ermac there much more recent than those SunnyD posted.

http://testyourmight.com/threads/ermac-video-thread.2667/page-9

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thanks i will see hehe you beat that crappy kabal good hehehe

 

[ragnar0kz28]

nice footage wow that cage got it good jeje i saw some I want to see some against good smoke, kung lao, cyrax, that would cover some matches that will be most common in my scene, Kano and Baraka would be good too but thats kindda hard to find

 

[Metzos]

nice footage wow that cage got it good jeje i saw some I want to see some against good smoke, kung lao, cyrax, that would cover some matches that will be most common in my scene, Kano and Baraka would be good too but thats kindda hard to find

I have played those matches you mentioned but only in casuals though. I dont think i have any tournament footage from them. Here in Greece we play almost all the cast in high lvl, so we pretty much know what we are talking about.

 

[Cibernetico]

I've played the Baraka matchup before and I have to say, it comes down to whoever has the better reads. You don't want to TKP at all unless you are sure you got him because if it is blocked, you eat a blade charge 100% of the time. Watch out for EX wakeup blade charges aswell since they travel the whole screen and are fast as hell too.

This is one of those matchups where you want to make sure your footsies game is right on point.

 

[SunnyD]

I have played those matches you mentioned but only in casuals though. I dont think i have any tournament footage from them. Here in Greece we play almost all the cast in high lvl, so we pretty much know what we are talking about.

i couldnt find any YouTube vids of high experience Ermac matches except for the casuals between you and Foxy. honestly look up "metzos" and you only get two vids and a playlist of ermac combos lol. sorry i couldnt find anything more recent.

 

[Metzos]

i couldnt find any YouTube vids of high experience Ermac matches except for the casuals between you and Foxy. honestly look up "metzos" and you only get two vids and a playlist of ermac combos lol. sorry i couldnt find anything more recent.

Yeah nothing else is uploaded from my tourney in WGC unfortunately. The videos i have posted in the video thread are from the tourneys here in Greece.

 

[Verstande]

I'm planning on joining the Ermac army, Ermac was my favorite character ever since MK3 but then when deception came out and he had a homolicious costume, I didn't like him anymore.

I main Kitana, but I'm not going to make Ermac my secondary for bad match ups, I'm making him my secondary because I like him.

I especially like the fact about him that you can punish pretty much anything that is a mistake with his lift thing that throws you against the wall.

 

[Metzos]

I've played the Baraka matchup before and I have to say, it comes down to whoever has the better reads. You don't want to TKP at all unless you are sure you got him because if it is blocked, you eat a blade charge 100% of the time. Watch out for EX wakeup blade charges aswell since they travel the whole screen and are fast as hell too.

This is one of those matchups where you want to make sure your footsies game is right on point.

Yeah i ve played this match vs Hidan's Baraka and its all about good footsies and good calculation.

 

[Flagg]

I think I got some solid Ermac match up experience today.

Hmm, Sonya is hard. I also find Sindel a bit much as well, even though the match up chart says 6:4 in Ermacs favour. Besides Sonya, I think Ermac does pretty well against some of the heavyweights in this game like Kabal, Cage and Jax. Cyrax is quite a challenge as well which surprised me but im learning to telelift teleports on reaction.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

Tell me about Ermac VS Kabal.

In my infinite hunt for a solid choice in this match, I look to Ermac for hope in the maelstrom.

How does he fare?