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Didn't they say this was a roster decided by fans?

Ilthuain

Lost in a labyrinth of egoism
I reckon using some iconic mileena's moves on Kitana is a big mistake. They should've just left her out this time. This is adding salt to the wound for mileena's fans.

Nah.

I'm a huge Mileena fan. I've been in the club since I first saw her at a MK2 location test 26 years ago. She has missed a few games since then, and while mildly disappointing, you just gotta roll with it.

That said, I think Kitana having her sai and some of her moves is hype as hell. I've never really played Kitana, but now I believe I'm contractually obligated to try.
 

ImperatrixSindel

Too bad YOU... will DIE!
Well I don't have a problem with Mileena setting this one out. It's my Bros main and I feel for him but my fav isn't in either.
What I do have a problem with is the insult of giving Mileena's sworn enemy her moves. With Jade it made sense. This isn't a Mournful situation where it's out of missing your BFF it's down right devastating. Mileena would never give her weapons to anyone. Kitana wouldn't use hers, it's an insult to both of them, not to mention the fans. It was bad enough with Erron/Alien in MKX but not it's about dancing over the Characters grave. Erron Has a damn vile of Reptiles Acid suggesting he collected it from reptiles dead body being an assassin/bounty Hunter or reptile lost it from a battle. The Mileena thing was absolutely jacked up.

I do think it's dumb the entire family of cage/Briggs are in while others are missing but I can deal with that, just don't insult the fans on top of it.

I hope we see some of my favs in DLC like:
Smoke, Reptile, Cyrax, Nightwolf, Tremor.
because no matter what I'm hyped for MK11.
I think it makes sense when you remember the main Kitana in the story at this point is Dark Empress Kitana, who would think it was hilarious to steal Mileena's weapons.

Overall though it's meant to be an easter egg for Mileena fans. I wish the stance had the roll instead of that sai stab lol. I would have preferred to have Jade in MKX but still was happy to get to fuck around with Mournful!
 

Pizza

Thrill Kill
What happened in the past, is in the past. The original seven playable characters should always be in. It was a mistake in MK2, MK3, Deception, etc. to let some of them out. And look how it turned out, with the sole exception of MK2 which included outstanding new characters, every other roster that tried to replace them with 'new blood' crashed lol

I don't know if it was Vogel, Boon or the comics guy, who "announced" the new generation as in "taking the torch" and retiring classic characters. Whoever it was, was clearly senile. And if the fans proved anything, was that they didn't want their favourites and ICONIC characters to be left out for who knows how long because of some "new generation".
NRS realized this. And they brought back the best newcomers from MKX, leaving behind terrible characters like Ferra/Torr, Kung Jin and Takeda. Maybe Jacqui wasn't popular HERE, but some people liked her. I know people that liked her, so...

And every fan and their 'perfect roster' is almost unique. The only thing close to a 'perfect roster' would be a 'dream team roster' like MK Trilogy or Armageddon. I know Armageddon was awful, but I trust NRS to make a good game by putting in every character from MK9-MK11. This is just an example. Of course some "pros" are going to complain about this. This kind of game is not for you. I bet you said the same thing about Trilogy and Armageddon. And regardless, they were played for fun. It's okay for videogames to be fun.

As I was saying... it's impossible to make a 'perfect roster' out of thin air. I want Hotaru. I'm probably the only person here who wants him to come back, and I'm not mad about it.
I'm a Mileena fan, and a Shinnok fan. I know Mileena is out, and Shinnok is probably out too. I'm just having fun here. And I'm totally okay with this because I have 25 awesome characters to play. Sonya, Cassie, Shao Kahn, Kitana, Skarlet, Baraka, Kabal... you bet I'll be playing with all of them! I already had lots of faves out of MK4 and guess what, I love that game!

MK11 is shaping up to have one of the best rosters in the whole franchise. How can any MK fan not see this? Lots of classic characters coming back, some even missed MKX and now they're here, AMAZING new characters, and those new characters coming from MKX are looking better than ever.

If anything, maybe the 3D era is a bit mis-represented. We haven't seen Frost yet, and we don't know if anyone else from that era is coming back. It's a shame some of those characters are bashed on a regular basis just because it's a meme to do so.
Truly awful and terrible characters like Mavado, Darrius, Dairou, Kobra... maybe is best they're definetely out. But some others have great potential. Characters like Kenshi, Quan Chi, Shinnok, Tanya, Bo Rai Cho, became awesome with 2D mechanics and being revamped the way they were. You know what I'm saying?

Just my opinion.
 

BRAZILIAN SHEEP

Apprentice
I'm so pissed after this kombat kast. They are making the same mistakes the did with mkx and fucking with the roster again.

They have to just STOP using moves from a character that are not in the game in another character. Kitana is not jade, she is not mileena too. Erron black is not reptile. If they are not bringing these chars to the game ( which is stubborn an a non sense from their part), don't fuck with the characters that are in the game. Let kitana be kitana!

We did not ask for two new injustice characters in the game, and bring jacky briggs back when mileena, reptile, smoke, sektor and cyrax and a lot of important ones are out is just a few steps behind of disrespect.

Man I'm so pissed to see another important char out of the roster and they do it even worse, giving her mkves to Kitana. Wtf Kitana is doing with sai?
 

LawAbidingCitizen

Bomb Setups & Ball Rolls(Mileena/Cyrax)
I think it makes sense when you remember the main Kitana in the story at this point is Dark Empress Kitana, who would think it was hilarious to steal Mileena's weapons.

Overall though it's meant to be an easter egg for Mileena fans. I wish the stance had the roll instead of that sai stab lol. I would have preferred to have Jade in MKX but still was happy to get to fuck around with Mournful!
I don't think her ball roll would be allowed in MK11 maybe some neutered version of it. It certainly wouldn't have invincibility.
 

KCJ506

Kombatant
If the roster was always gonna be decided by "fans", it would just simply be Trilogy and MK9 over and over and over and over again.

What happened in the past, is in the past. The original seven playable characters should always be in. It was a mistake in MK2, MK3, Deception, etc. to let some of them out. And look how it turned out, with the sole exception of MK2 which included outstanding new characters, every other roster that tried to replace them with 'new blood' crashed lol
Hardly anyone batted an eye when Kano and Sonya were left out of MK2. In fact, the reason for that was because they were the least used characters in the original.
 

xenogorgeous

.... they mostly come at night. Mostly.
If the roster was always gonna be decided by "fans", it would just simply be Trilogy and MK9 over and over and over and over again.



Hardly anyone batted an eye when Kano and Sonya were left out of MK2. In fact, the reason for that was because they were the least used characters in the original.
fair point ... but in that old time, years ago, the MK fanbase was much more smaller than today, so, nowadays, has much more impact when some fan favorites just don't make it into a roster in a game that everyone are waiting for desperately play
 
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BRAZILIAN SHEEP

Apprentice
Which they clearly don't have the balls to go through with. I love NRS and MK but what is the point of introducing this next generation of characters if the older ones never retire? No I never expect Scorpion or Sub-Zero to go away but we can live without Johnny/Sonya/Jax in every game especailly when they literally have adult offspring who are competent fighters now. They have missed games before and the world didn't end.
Sorry man I respect your opinion, but you are just sugesting that nrs could replace Johhny and sonya with the pussy new ones that were introduced in mkx?

Ok....disagree
 

xWildx

What a day. What a lovely day.
My biggest takeaway here is: I’m so sick of the speculation. As a Kitana/Mileena loyalist since their first appearance, I can honestly say the Kitana reveal has been nothing but bittersweet for me. On one hand, I love Kitana and have been waiting for her reveal since the announcement, on the other, her reveal deconfirms my other favorite character. It just put me into a really... nothing state.

I’m over the hype. I’m over the anticipation of the next Kombat Kast reveal. I’m over worrying about who will, or will not, be DLC. I just want to play the game and lab the shit out of the character I’m lucky enough to have make the roster.
 

BRAZILIAN SHEEP

Apprentice
Sheep, my brother - that's baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa(d).

Series goes stagnant without change and growth. A world with no D'Vorah.
I understand your point and i like to see new stuff. I like dvorah, and regarding mkx, ferra torr and kotal kahn are my favorites. Kotal Kahn is a fucking badass man.

But look at this perspective: You have a almost 30 year old franchise with a rich lore and beatiful and amazing characters.
Obviously the franchise reaches some point that they had to sacrifice some old ones for the new ones, because there are not space left for all of them.

However, if you are going to follow this pathway, do it better than before. Bring characters that are cool as the old ones, and better.

So, if you say to me that pussy cages ( jacky, takeda so on), and a chunk of the new introduced in mkx and now in mk11 ( with 2 injustice warriors imported from dc) replace well the old ones missing in the game, I really think that you would be lying to yourself.
 
To say that this thread had nothing to do with the Mileena deconfirm is total BS, the timing is too much of a coincidence.

As others have said, a "perfect" fan-made roster created by hardcore fans who frequent forums and the like does not marry up to what MK's wider audience would care about nor accept. Yes we all have our own favourites that we'd love to make base roster, but it's just tough luck.

In order for this game series to persist, it's had to evolve and that includes making bold decisions about introducing new characters and changing up the gameplay etc. If you take a step back, just imagine where we'd all be if MK just fizzled out with Midway dying out? NOWHERE. We should be grateful we're still getting MK games at all, and ones produced to a very high standard.

I never thought I'd see the day where I would have hundreds of customisation options at my fingertips PER CHARACTER to breathe my own personality into them. To say the game has no fan service is ridiculous.

How many other companies do you know that directly take on feedback during the development cycle, and change up gameplay elements etc. and address this on a live stream? Not many I'd bet.

Yes it's disappointing when obscure characters don't make it in, but that's tough luck and there's always DLC. MK fans are so entitled and it's just sad. We should all be uniting for our passion of the series rather than nitpicking.
 

Kitana Fan

Mortal
I doubt the whole roster was decided by fans. If it was, Mileena, Rain and Fujin would be in. I think only a few characters were decided by fans, like Baraka and Jade, whom were missed in MKX.
 
The only WTF choice on the roster to me is Kabal. There isn’t an interesting story to tell with his younger self, and his older self is a Revenant lackey, who, as far as I can see, dies or is written out early in the story. I don’t think Revenant Jade is going to be too prominent either. I know he is a fun character to play as but with such little story involvement he could have been DLC.
 

DarksydeDash

You know me as RisingShieldBro online.
I got a question. Which DLC character do you think they would show at EVO? It'd have to be a fan favorite with a stage so big.
 
Never expected they'd actually pull a Mournful 2.0...watched KK, saw Sai and teleport and laughed thinking the internet was about to explode.
I'm not disappointed.
 
Fuck Mileena. Most obnoxious character in whole franchise. Giving Kitana her sai is a nice trolling, though it's rather lazy move to do Mournful 2.0.
 

Syd Barrett Lives

Italian Psychopath
I think they said they were gonna bring back some fan favorites, not that the whole roster was gonna be "decided by fans". And they did, I mean Kabal, Jade, Noob, Shang Tsung ARE fan favorite.

But as many have said, there's no way to make everyone happy, if it was decided by fans it would be just MK9 over and over and over, so they did a mix between what they wanted for story/gameplay purpose, the usual staples and some returning fan favorites. Of course there's always gonna be people that feels shortchanged and whines about it but it's the way it is and the way it always has been.

The fact many seems to ignore is that the vast majority of people buying this game is not on this or other forums, it's just casuals that don't even care that much about the roster, they just buy MK because they like the game as a whole. And honestly, I'm a fan since 1992 and I agree with the sentiment. I accept that in fighting games some characters get left out and I have no problem changing my main accordingly. I mained Noob in Mk9 and Mileena in MKX, but I'm not gonna cry about a videogame character because I love the series as a whole.
 
My viewpoint in some things regarding this subject :

  1. they created the kombat kids in order to be the natural replacement of the veterans, however, they put all together in the same game, taking chances of others characters in the franchise, to take part and evolve in the series
  2. they put effort in some new characters (Takeda, Kung Jin, Ferra/Torr), for next, make them out of the next game .... so I'm afraid that Cetrion and Geras end having the same fate, and so, turn into "one game only" character type
  3. they put other characters (Jade and Mileena) trademark special moves in a character (Kitana), that already have plenty of own moves and doesn't need to be used as some kinda of half-ass stupid homage of fan favorites absent in the game
  4. so, next, they invest producion time on creating a new variation system , that, for competitive level, serve no full purpose, wtf, so what ?
seriously, some decisions NRS and Ed Boon decide to take on MK11 direction, seems pretty bizarre weird crazy nonsense, I expected more from a profissional level point .... MK11 looks incredible and we all gonna love, but, some things they decided, just seem dumb pointless

:confused:
Centrion is a one and done. Geras maybe with the time powers. All your points are very good.