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Injustice 2 First Balance Patch Reactions, Hype and Tears Thread

The thing is though all of these strings you shouldn't be constantly doing stuff like 3,3 or back 1, 3. It isn't true at all that Blue Beetle has no safe way to remove gaps.

You have shield bash which is -4 on block with pushback that closes all those gaps. You can even close the gap in 1,1,1 (this is a punisher type of string anyway so it's not like you should be using it a lot on block anyway).

He has a safe overhead in Back 2, shield bash. His sweep is also a safe low option. He has safe low damage 50/50's or if you wanna get bigger damage you take a risk. I don't have a problem with people thinking he's bad, but the reasons listed aren't things that he has to do or worry about.

Forward 2 is a great advancing mid that can be made safe. 3 is 9 frames, back 1 is 10 frames and neutral on block (with restand properties, a phantom hitbox and great for setting up poke whiff punishes). He has great cross up mixes with his jump normals, jump 3 is great for pressure an can guarantee a throw or down 1 that beats 8 frame reversals. His zoning is very solid and gets the job done, he builds meter like it's going out of style and has two bar combos for 50%. He ALWAYS has meter because he builds it abusing safe chip specials up close and projectiles afar. His stagger game with 1 and back 1 is applicable to with good conditioning into throws or more pressure.

I don't understand how these are the issues of concern. Blue Beetle wouldn't be over powered if he got buffs, but the issues being listed are issues that are very much non-issues.
Shield bash does not close the gaps of 33 and b13. What you mentioned are all situational in terms of landing a hit. His meter build is great i agree and his damage is not something i have an issue with. Mind you i do very well with beatle but when playing against the character, he has some issues in normals. His zoning and meter build is great due to his terrible normals.
 

Espio

Kokomo
Shield bash does not close the gaps of 33 and b13. What you mentioned are all situational in terms of landing a hit. His meter build is great i agree and his damage is not something i have an issue with. Mind you i do very well with beatle but when playing against the character, he has some issues in normals. His zoning and meter build is great due to his terrible normals.
Go into the lab and do 3 shield bash and Back 1 shield bash by themselves. Forget about 3,3 and Back 1,3 outside of combos and enjoy your new found freedom.
 

Espio

Kokomo
I know about those and i use those. Still doesn't cover the issues. The character needs tweaks.
So really it doesn't matter if the statements are factually wrong and I present you with facts that resolve your concerns and you claim you already knew? He doesn't have a problem with safety or gaps, you don't have to use gap filled strings. That's a personal choice (one which I don't recommend).

As I've said quite a few times, I don't care if he gets buffs, but the issues you brought up are easily resolved and I'd rather them buff something that could actually help him as opposed to worrying about his "Safety". He is safe. You can say he has weaknesses, but safety isn't among them.
 

HeroesNZ

Baconlord's Billionaire Sugar Daddy
And he gets support for calling people bad purely because he's a mod and been on the site for a long time. If he was a new member people wouldn't like him. I'll just remember the almighty espio is never wrong and all other opinions mean you're bad.
Yeah and he's so hollywood he told me he appears offline to stop scrubs like me from asking him for games, can you believe that?

#WhatDidEspihoeDoToYou?
 

JDE

Pick up & kill it & kill it & kill it!
In my humble opinion, keep in mind that I don't think the characters are bad if I mention them "losers". It just means I feel like their game got altered a little bit more than the others & had more to lose in the patch.

The Winners:
Supergirl
Brainiac
Wonder Woman
Black Canary
Swamp Thing
Grodd

The Losers:
Aquaman
Catwoman
Black Adam
Atrocitus
Superman, but only because they altered his wake up game a little.
Batman

I still think Batman will be a beast. Same for Superman & Adam. The others, have to wait & see.
 
By the way they mentioned all previous changes that did not affect tournament/competitive mode, when the new patch drops they will be in effect. And Atrocitus gets a nerf because with his brand new changes comes along with this old change done to him on the July patch.
  • Atrocitus – additional damage added after Napalm Vomit attacks inside of a combo will now use the correct combo damage scaling. (This does not apply in Competitive / Tournament Mode)
 

EMPRESS_SunFire

Regina George of discord
I think you're greatly overestimating the nerfs to Black Adam, Batman, Catwoman etc.
Black Adam is gonna be in the top still without a doubt, I mean they only nerfed his damage and he still did 414 damage AND it wasn't even an optimal combo...

Catwoman and Batman got bigger hits but I still think both are gonna remain top 10 most likely, just like Deadshot and Atrocitus.

Scarecrow is potentially top 3/5 now.
Harley, Arrow and Green Lantern were top 10ish and they will most likely be abit higher.

But all of this without taking into consideration the new strong characters. Supergirl, Canary, Wonder Woman and Brainiac seem very promising. For all we know any of these characters could take the top 5 spots or just be top 10.
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
Premium Supporter
Let's be real, Black Adam is still gonna be on top lol

He legit got a slap on the wrist compared to people like Aquaman and Catwoman
It's interesting that they decided to really stick it to Aquaman while he wasn't even largely considered the best. Maybe NRS cares more about how the game looks? Because AM makes it look super boring.