Chars that kill footsies in MKXL?

[CrazyFingers]

I agree, I thought it wasn't a true blockstring any longer? Any poke into a safe special is dumb lol.

yea it's a 100% no gap block string still

 

[FL Rushdown]

Shinnock.

Stupid JIP
Hellsparks stupid AF, if he has a bar
Low scoop
Fast runspeed into f4

GM

In some MU's he could be played by a paraplegic to a high standard. Completely flowchart.

Clone just stops certain characters for free.

Jason
Its a pain if you dont have a move that lowprofiles b1 string.

Ninjitsu can be an annoying game of having to hold endless f2's for some characters, then they low profile your mid with yolo slide or avoid with teleport.

Just annoying gambles everywhere.

i don't think paraplegic means what you think it means.

 

[omooba]

Try to intercept stance 1 in real matches.

Please.

for one i play jason slasher and b1 does fine in real matches. secondly if you block it your in neutral at which point it's fine, there's so many people with spacing tools that shut this down in neutral fine. jason alien pred shinnok sonya kenshi kitana scorpion subzero d'vorah takeda quan kung jin tanya borai cho triborg all have a variation that shuts this down in neutral and then there's characters with fast enough projectiles to stop him from doing it in neutral other than to eat their projectile at which point they can block. yeah there are match ups where it fucks up neutral but most of the time that's not the case. that's only in match ups he wins hard.

other than smoke and takeda i don't think anyone shuts down neutral

 

[Safe Armor]

i don't think paraplegic means what you think it means.

I think he does...

par·a·ple·gi·a
ˌperəˈplēj(ē)ə/
noun

1. paralysis of the legs and lower body, typically caused by spinal injury or disease.
   
   

 

[NaCl man]

I think he does...

par·a·ple·gi·a
ˌperəˈplēj(ē)ə/
noun

1. paralysis of the legs and lower body, typically caused by spinal injury or disease.

So who plays this game with their feet? what disadvantage would a paraplegic have playing a game that is controled by hands?

 

[Amplified$hotz]

Idk Shinnok is not so bad. What is it that kills footsies for you? Hell sparks?

Yeah. Not in all matchups admittedly.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

I think he does...

par·a·ple·gi·a
ˌperəˈplēj(ē)ə/
noun

1. paralysis of the legs and lower body, typically caused by spinal injury or disease.
   

Which wouldn't do a whole lot to someone's ability to play video games

 

[trufenix]

mkx has footsies?

 

[Wigy]

i don't think paraplegic means what you think it means.

Wasnt paying attention writing this, got half way through writing paralysed then half quadriplegic

Like when you're salty and accidentally mix two sayings or insults like assdouche or does a pope take a shit in the woods

 

[MrProfDrPepper]

I don't get the takeda argument you are still playing footsies with him just at a farther range, you still have to bait out my attacks and make them whiff since every one of my whips on whiff is extremely unsafe, yes he dominates the neutral but if your footsies are good you can take it down

 

[Wigy]

I don't get the takeda argument you are still playing footsies with him just at a farther range, you still have to bait out my attacks and make them whiff since every one of my whips on whiff is extremely unsafe, yes he dominates the neutral but if your footsies are good you can take it down

Lasher kinda kills footsies a bit.

B21 is whiffpunishable but you can do the third hit which makes a punish from a slow run in character tricky, and if you're not hitconfirming f12 into the whole string you're playing takeda wrong.

Diagonal 1 and lashers jump attacks can be suffocating in some matchups for footsies and are tricky to punish.

Basically unless you have an excellent move to catch jump backs, takeda doesnt have to respect your footsie options a great deal.

This comes from a takeda player.

 

[Arzumis]

Hellsparks

 

[Tanno]

oh i dont know about that bit. i'd have to lab it.

No need. EX Smoke doesn't have armor, so it gets frozen, too. Been playing against Smoke a lot. This is one of his weaknesses being cornered.

Edit: Forgot to add that the footsies KILL Smoke Away.

 

[Eddy Wang]

Takeda by far. Ninjutsu to an extent if the player forces u to play at his range against some characters like Butcher, BRC who have no neutral or mids to fight his f2 and d4 (I've literally only had to use those 2 buttons in those matchups besides Anti airing the occasional jump attempt) tho his swords have dreadful recovery so it balances it out. KJ with his air attacks destroys all means of a neutral

Ninjutsu foostie tools outside of s3 are still punishable, i don't think he kills footsie to some extent.

Cassie is the character i hate the most in this spectrum, she has an insane walkspeed, top 3 in the game and can outranges anyone with B12 almost everytime, B12 is also safe on block or whiff, scorpion can't do that with F2 and D4 alone.

 

[Wigy]

There are better jips in the game.
Hellsparks arent as plus even if MB'd.
Low scoop has no armor any longer and full combo punishable.
He has good mobility, f4 is great but since overhead doesn't lead to a lot of damage and can't be canceled into anything, just block low and you'll be fine.

Not to say that he isn't tough to fight against there's a reason he is being considered number one but I don't think he's that bad.

I agreed on Jason he is brain dead lol.

Each thing isnt rediculous on its on but It all adds up though.

Hellsparks might not be plus but they instantly control 3/4 of the screen. With a bar they convert to a full combo or punish the person for trying to punish.

Scoop might not have armour but its still a 3/4screen low that launches.

Couple that with the fact he has a low combo starter faster than most pokes and a quick run speed.

Shinnock negates footsies more than most.

 

[Wigy]

Ninjutsu foostie tools outside of s3 are still punishable, i don't think he kills footsie to some extent.

Cassie is the character i hate the most in this spectrum, she has an insane walkspeed, top 3 in the game and can outranges anyone with B12 almost everytime, B12 is also safe on block or whiff, scorpion can't do that with F2 and D4 alone.

B124 is not safe on whiff?

Each part of that string has a relatively large gap in terms of frames (not an actual gap). It is definitely whiff punishable.

F2 is genuinely a nightmare to punish with some of the cast, as well as this he has psuedo mixups off all of his crap.

B1 has a hurtbox f2 does not.

F2 captures them in the air better than almost any more in the game, b1 does not.

 

[Safe Armor]

So who plays this game with their feet? what disadvantage would a paraplegic have playing a game that is controled by hands?

He refers to actual in game chars, not being able to use all of their body parts

 

[Safe Armor]

Each thing isnt rediculous on its on but It all adds up though.

Hellsparks might not be plus but they instantly control 3/4 of the screen. With a bar they convert to a full combo or punish the person for trying to punish.

Scoop might not have armour but its still a 3/4screen low that launches.

Couple that with the fact he has a low combo starter faster than most pokes and a quick run speed.

Shinnock negates footsies more than most.

Yeah I kinda see where you are coming from.

 

[TheGangstaFace]

Really? Shincuck is in question by some of you? Lol. Let's use Boneshaper as an example. Hell sparks, D4, D4 into hellsparks, amazing jump ins (on top of jumps still being dumb in this game), low scoop, dark beam (amazing) and while looking out for all of this he has a fast ass sprint that he can do and just run up and 50/50. Oh yeah forgot he has an unblockable lol and the Ex Dark Beam is a mid

 

[MrProfDrPepper]

Lasher kinda kills footsies a bit.

B21 is whiffpunishable but you can do the third hit which makes a punish from a slow run in character tricky, and if you're not hitconfirming f12 into the whole string you're playing takeda wrong.

Diagonal 1 and lashers jump attacks can be suffocating in some matchups for footsies and are tricky to punish.

Basically unless you have an excellent move to catch jump backs, takeda doesnt have to respect your footsie options a great deal.

This comes from a takeda player.

I know all this, my specialty is lasher. The thing is you still can play footsies against him BUT that is where all his strengths lie, if your neutral is very very good you can do it. Never said it was easy, because it isn't, lasher is a character whose tool set is designed to win him footsie battles, which makes him incredibly strong, but it isn't impossible.

 

[Wigy]

I know all this, my specialty is lasher. The thing is you still can play footsies against him BUT that is where all his strengths lie, if your neutral is very very good you can do it. Never said it was easy, because it isn't, lasher is a character whose tool set is designed to win him footsie battles, which makes him incredibly strong, but it isn't impossible.

I think thats what this thread is basically asking. I know you specialise in lasher.

His range takes footsies to an extreme where most characters cant compete, or if they can its v difficult.

Lasher shinnock and grandmaster are good examples of characters with ridiculous space control that negates most of the casts footsies

 

[oaoo94]

These are the top 3 FREE and people will agree with time.

Smoke, Jason and Killer Leatherface.

Edit: Not Slasher. Relentless/Unstoppable

I fucking hate killer Leatherface lol I 100% agree with you.

 

[FL Rushdown]

Which wouldn't do a whole lot to someone's ability to play video games

i bet it'd end a competitive ddr career pretty fast, but yeah probably not gonna impact the FGC much.

 

[FL Rushdown]

I think he does...

par·a·ple·gi·a
ˌperəˈplēj(ē)ə/
noun

1. paralysis of the legs and lower body, typically caused by spinal injury or disease.
   

yeah Ima let you think about why that disability wouldn't hurt someone's ability to play mk. It's a tricky question though, so take your time.

 

[Safe Armor]

yeah Ima let you think about why that disability wouldn't hurt someone's ability to play mk. It's a tricky question though, so take your time.

lol I think he meant that chars feel like they lose the ability to move like a normal human being while ice clone is up!