Thats not condtioning you can literally counter poke on reaction its not "underrated" you imbecile also im not downplaying anything dont jump into false conclusions , youre the same guy who thinks marksman is his best variation so im not going to bother further discussing with an "imbecile"
Sand Toss is very punishable. There are interesting mind games, yes, but still, if the overhead is unsafe in all scenarios, then Erron, who is a 50/50 character and nothing else, is probably the only character who needs to use a bar of meter to make his low starter safe, while he has an unsafe overhead. He has to risk for his 50/50s and waste meter, while some others take the risk, but save the meter, and have other options besides relying on the 50/50. Marksman gun cancels on 21122 are interruptible, I'm pretty sure, so there is no threat there.
lol poke out on an 11 frame reaction. if that was the case tanya wouldn't be a force in this game. u gotta make a read to poke out and yes it's conditioning, i do it all the time and i force them to respect 21122 gun cancel pressure. it works
nah im just saying that the opponent jumping out of F13xxBF3(ex) is unlikely because erron can just cancel into one of those moves instead
First thing first is df1 is like 20f on startup ? Might be more lol + after that you're doing a string that starts with like 2 highs or one so there's plenty of time to react
I'm saying that the opponent has only 11 frames to react, only female hitboxes will whiff with gun cancel pressure so i pick cage when im fighting female chars. 21122 starts with a high. u can even bait pokes with 21122 gun cancel pressure and once they poke u just go straight into 21122 again
I meant if they do 21122 then do the gun cancel you can react to that which is like +20 , the poke bait is a part of the mind game though
To be honest 20 frames is still kind of pushing it for reactability, that is a lil bit on the inhuman side but juuust barely, but that being said I'm neither against you in this argument nor for you in this argument, just pointing something out, I personally believe that erron black is perfect as is, he has strengths, weaknesses, but the weaknesses aren't so overwhelming that is makes him suck and his strengths aren't so overwhelming that he is stupidly broken
Its not exactly 20 frames , its abit slower
How many frames exactly?
I cant check , kinda in the middle of exams atm , my guess its 23 , even then the animation is really obvious to be fair.
Alright fair enough man, yes that is very fair and is totally reactable but maybe you should get off TYM and work on exams XD trust me even the smallest of distractions can end up spelling your doom, I learned this the hard way
Lol yeah but the thing is i have a few papers missing and someone sent them through phone , thanks for your concern thoughAlright fair enough man, yes that is very fair and is totally reactable but maybe you should get off TYM and work on exams XD trust me even the smallest of distractions can end up spelling your doom, I learned this the hard way
Lol its still in the stsrtup frames even if its not loads of people reacted to it alot , theres a reason not alot of people use it in high level , its a gimmick that only works online.
Id rather not potentially lose my turn , a gimmick is never good yeah its fun to do but that doesnt make it good .
shit it works for me vs everyone, i have yet to try it in a tournament setting but that shit is tech online ma dude
If they do consider buffs/changes for Erron, these would be perfect. When u say faster SOS1 do u mean he exits the stance faster?I don't think Erron needs any buffs/nerfs, but oh well, might as well have some fun.
Gunslinger:
slightly faster SOS1
last bullet of SOS3 doesn't hit full screen
SOS2 damage scales as 1 hit in combos
Marksman:
+3 on 21122~GC (no changes to other GCs)
faster start up and backwalk on db1 (more evasive)
df1 damage 8% (down from 10%)
db2 -6 on block (same pushback)
Outlaw:
bugfix on f3 hitting two times
b211 better recovery & leaves opponent closer on hit (for use in some combos, considering db4 changes below)
14 frames startup on db4 (less prone to armor breaks and more consistent against jump-ins on wakeup)
less advantage on db4 on hit (max range dash b32u1 won't combo - run cancel needed)
General changes:
32 - faster startup on second hit
21122 - last hit -3 on block
f4 - less pushback
EX bf4 - +5 on hit
generic throw - 0 on hit