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Question - Erron Black ERRON BLACK CROW BRUTALITY?!?!?!(Down+Stance Switch+Block+3)

Kitana Prime

Top-tier at everything but the characters I choose
What's the point of hiding the brutal then? It's not altering the course of the match.

I really hope maniacs here aren't comparing a hidden brutality to a toasty boost, that's insane.
The fact that it means nothing, makes it fun to find. I dont know them all or claim to. However, the Toasty Boost needed absolutely to be known. Either know it, or give your opponent full meter. It was a game mechanic. This is not.
 
The fact that it means nothing, makes it fun to find. I dont know them all or claim to. However, the Toasty Boost needed absolutely to be known. Either know it, or give your opponent full meter. It was a game mechanic. This is not.
That was my point. A hidden brutality does nothing while a toasty boost did more than something.
 

N00B

Noob
Not off of 112124 or 11212
Oh ok. But i tried to do not brutal, i tried to do 11212..... conversion, i tried slide 212 holding back, forward e.t.c. after 11212... I think its possible to do something simillar to Johnny s b12121..... 11212 animation looks not complet, not enough punches, you know what im saying. Or maybe its impossible lol.
 

Karnage

Ancestors give me Strength!!
I've personally noticed "internet hate and drama" growing overall everywhere, not just here. And I don't mean the normal internet nonsense, I mean things getting really out of proportion.

Not sure why though.
it's not really everywhere, starcraft 2 has a fantastic community...it's a real shame though. Don't know why everybody seems to be a keyboard warrior these days
 
it's not really everywhere, starcraft 2 has a fantastic community...it's a real shame though. Don't know why everybody seems to be a keyboard warrior these days
Cool. I don't play StarCraft II, so I'm not familiar with it's community. I've noticed most communities (that I partake in, at least) becoming far more toxic over the last month-ish though.
 

SylverRye

Official Loop Kang Main
Yesterday in yomi stream they said they found something really stupid that completely destroys lao pressure. I said "what is it" and got hit with the "its a secret, youll see it in tournament". It doesnt get me mad lol, it is what it is. I find my own ways around characters but sometimes the suspense gets me lol.
 
@Youphemism quasi bullet points here because your essay is well, an essay. I did read the whole thing, I appreciate you being clear as possible, but im not reading each time I want to respond.

Our disagreement stems from the fact that I dont think secret brutalities hold the weight of tech/MU knowledge and it doesnt actually matter of they're never found out, hence the fun in them. Ive only seen a few. I dont know them all.

I wonder? @colt @j360 @jamessmk Did we find everything from MK9? Anyway...

I've never once said that the people of TYM aren't a part of the community.

"Drama is what we're left with because the top players discuss things elsewhere"
Absolutely not. The atmosphere creates itself in a forum, consisting of the people who make it.

Sonic or anybody btw, doesn't have to share everything he knows about the game. No top player is afraid of others (everyone wants to beat Sonic, DJT, F0xy, etc) so I'm sure they're not worried about anyone else on the road to becoming a top guy. Maybe, if everyone worked as hard as Sonic or REO does, they'd be in their positions. Knowing is half the battle, true. Sure, having the info out there builds the communities' awareness, but at the end of the day this is still competition first and you have to know your fair share of info regardless. Sonic wins not because he knows more than everyone, but because he is better than everyone. Also, there's plenty lab monsters who know things top guys dont know and use for themselves - its players at all levels. I've played plenty of "unknowns" at every major I attend and I usually see something I haven't seen, or a slick touch on something already popularized. Are we gonna condemn them too? The realization is once somebody uses new tech they've discovered and we see it, there ya go. It starts to get broken down. That's the game naturally evolving. You were around for Injustice, you know how it works.

Overall, at the end of the day, I agree with you on most of your thoughts. The thing is, a lot of your points make sense, however they're misdirected. You're releasing your issues with how the community should be, here, anyway - and pointing your guns in a thread about secret brutalities, which I believe is literally is the most useless thing when it comes to everything you speak of. Finding tech, spreading MU info, etc. Its fun, and we'll have to agree to disagree here.

Edit - damn I wrote an essay too. Sorry Youph :p
 

just_2swift

MK1 is the best MK period.
Yesterday in yomi stream they said they found something really stupid that completely destroys lao pressure. I said "what is it" and got hit with the "its a secret, youll see it in tournament". It doesnt get me mad lol, it is what it is. I find my own ways around characters but sometimes the suspense gets me lol.
I'll tell you in a pm
 

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
@Youphemism quasi bullet points here because your essay is well, an essay. I did read the whole thing, I appreciate you being clear as possible, but im not reading each time I want to respond.

Our disagreement stems from the fact that I dont think secret brutalities hold the weight of tech/MU knowledge and it doesnt actually matter of they're never found out, hence the fun in them. Ive only seen a few. I dont know them all.

I wonder? @colt @j360 @jamessmk Did we find everything from MK9? Anyway...

I've never once said that the people of TYM aren't a part of the community.

"Drama is what we're left with because the top players discuss things elsewhere"
Absolutely not. The atmosphere creates itself in a forum, consisting of the people who make it.

Sonic or anybody btw, doesn't have to share everything he knows about the game. No top player is afraid of others (everyone wants to beat Sonic, DJT, F0xy, etc) so I'm sure they're not worried about anyone else on the road to becoming a top guy. Maybe, if everyone worked as hard as Sonic or REO does, they'd be in their positions. Knowing is half the battle, true. Sure, having the info out there builds the communities' awareness, but at the end of the day this is still competition first and you have to know your fair share of info regardless. Sonic wins not because he knows more than everyone, but because he is better than everyone. Also, there's plenty lab monsters who know things top guys dont know and use for themselves - its players at all levels. I've played plenty of "unknowns" at every major I attend and I usually see something I haven't seen, or a slick touch on something already popularized. Are we gonna condemn them too? The realization is once somebody uses new tech they've discovered and we see it, there ya go. It starts to get broken down. That's the game naturally evolving. You were around for Injustice, you know how it works.

Overall, at the end of the day, I agree with you on most of your thoughts. The thing is, a lot of your points make sense, however they're misdirected. You're releasing your issues with how the community should be, here, anyway - and pointing your guns in a thread about secret brutalities, which I believe is literally is the most useless thing when it comes to everything you speak of. Finding tech, spreading MU info, etc. Its fun, and we'll have to agree to disagree here.

Edit - damn I wrote an essay too. Sorry Youph :p
Well first of all I'm sorry too, I'm glad we can keep this discussion mature and friendly enough. Apologies if I come across mad, I don't mean it. I just want what's best for the community and the game as I'm sure you do too. I tried to keep this as short as possible too lol.

That's cool, I'm not insinuating you know them all. I don't think they hold the same weight either I just like to know as much as I can lol.

I didn't say you thought TYM weren't part of the community, I just felt there was a little bit of separation between the top players and the rest of the community. This kind of stems from a discussion I had recently with 16bit and Pig who told me that top players discuss top level stuff between themselves on twitter/skype/facebook/etc instead of on here and it confused me because this site is the place made exactly for that purpose.

Then people can change it too. If top players don't want to deal with drama they can ignore people. Drama is only made if you let it happen. I mean right now, this discussion could be highly heated but it isn't because we can handle ourselves maturely about this situation. Some people are a little more sensitive and they'll just have to learn I guess.

You're right, they don't have to, but if they want the community to grow and get better with them then it's just my opinion that they should do everything they can to help as many people as they can and by sharing what they know they'd be doing that. As much as I enjoy the current top players I'd like to see even MORE variety in tournaments and the only way that's going to happen is if more people are exposed to the information they'll need to win. It's one thing to find something but you've got to know what you're looking for. Sonic and REO have the time to find all this stuff and they have more general FG knowledge that allows them to think about possibilities and find this stuff. They're more knowledgeable players, the majority of the rest of the community aren't at that level yet. That's why they ask, because they won't be able to think of half the stuff top players find. Sonic isn't better than everyone, there are players that beat him and catch up with him, but he's better than most BECAUSE he knows more than most other players.

I probably shouldn't just be condemning top players for keeping things to themselves, I personally think everyone should do it. I think I'm just pointing my finger at them because of the whole not posting here thing as well but they're not the only ones keeping things to themselves and it'd be unfair to just criticize them.

I'm an essay of detail kinda guy, don't worry too much ;) Goddamnit why can't more people be like you? You're nice, I can discuss things with you normally. In other places I'm getting bombarded with hate and snark for having an opinion :( But I can handle it, I'm a Scot!
 

The Celebrity

Professional Googler
I really want to figure out this Erron one so I can move onto other characters. Just need to figure out what makes the Erron one work first before I trust myself to figure out the others.

Please @jamessmk tell me there's one for Jax's ragdoll brutality where he goes full Quan Chi and swings the person around forever. Also a Liu Kang one where he transforms into a Dragon. If those exist, my life is complete.

Also just an update to everyone. It is 100% not a 3-direction 1-button input at the win pose like it was for toasty boosts. I have tried every combination for that, god help me.

NRS normally make some sense with their inputs, so I feel as though you probably shoot the bird with some use of 1/2/RT. It would also seem weird if there isn't a forward in the input see as he points his gun forward. Using those as guidelines I'm going to be testing quad-directional button inputs. Here are a couple pastebins for combinations I plan on trying:
(Has a Forward, Ends in 1, 2 or RT as button): http://pastebin.com/zAMGs2LB
(Ends in Forward for direction, Ends in 1, 2 or RT as button): http://pastebin.com/RjFLwtWe

No guarantees that any of these work though obviously. It still could be something entirely different like just button inputs, I'm merely basing this off of what NRS is most known to do.
 
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APNO

Victims aren't we all
I really want to figure out this Erron one so I can move onto other characters. Just need to figure out what makes the Erron one work first before I trust myself to figure out the others.

Please @jamessmk tell me there's one for Jax's ragdoll brutality where he goes full Quan Chi and swings the person around forever. Also a Liu Kang one where he transforms into a Dragon. If those exist, my life is complete.

Also just an update to everyone. It is 100% not a 3-direction 1-button input at the win pose like it was for toasty boosts. I have tried every combination for that, god help me.

NRS normally make some sense with their inputs, so I feel as though you probably shoot the bird with some use of 1/2/RT. It would also seem weird if there isn't a forward in the input see as he points his gun forward. Using those as guidelines I'm going to be testing quad-directional button inputs. Here are a couple pastebins for combinations I plan on trying:
(Has a Forward, Ends in 1, 2 or RT as button): http://pastebin.com/zAMGs2LB
(Ends in Forward for direction, Ends in 1, 2 or RT as button): http://pastebin.com/RjFLwtWe
I think people should work in teams for that...