YOMI LIVING MATCH UP CHART (FIRST DRAFT) v1.0 - 7-2-15 Tremor Patch

[DOOMSDAY-15RUS-]

shinnok god tier? 3 raw and 0 negative MU's

 

[KIllaByte]

There's no way Shinnok's worst MU is 5-5 and he doesn't have that many 6-4's. His numbers on this chart look better or on par with MK9 Kabal, please stop with overstating how good Shinnok is.

He's definitely a top 5 character, but he has weaknesses like every other character, he's not god tier (which is what you're implying when you say a character has zero bad match-ups.)

People say I downplay Shinnok, but if people didn't constantly say he is auto #1 with no debate and he has no bad MU's and the majority of his MU's are in his favor, I wouldn't have to.

Exactly! I free Shinnok up in close range due to Shinnok's armor moves being slow-ish and horribly unsafe on block! The Netherrealm clowns both have problem under pressure, Quan and Shin.

 

[DOOMSDAY-15RUS-]

I don't really understand which one (score for who), please help me understand, for example, cassie vs shinnok is 6/4, for cassie or shinnok is ? Normally shinnok win just need to be sure to look at other scores

And why cassie vs SZ is 4/6 and SZ vs cassie is 5/5 ? lol

 

[Tony at Home]

I wasn't sure whether whether the matchup numbers should read left-column / top-column or top-colum / left-column

... then I looked for Goro, and used him as a reference.

Goro shittiness confirms: left-column / top-column

 

[Ecodus]

There's no way Shinnok's worst MU is 5-5 and he doesn't have that many 6-4's. His numbers on this chart look better or on par with MK9 Kabal, please stop with overstating how good Shinnok is.

He's definitely a top 5 character, but he has weaknesses like every other character, he's not god tier (which is what you're implying when you say a character has zero bad match-ups.)

People say I downplay Shinnok, but if people didn't constantly say he is auto #1 with no debate and he has no bad MU's and the majority of his MU's are in his favor, I wouldn't have to.

what's his weakness?

 

[infamy23]

what's his weakness?

His overhead is unsafe and not cancellable.

Both of his armored specials are unsafe.

Hell sparks is unsafe without meter and sometimes even with meter.

His low cannot be hit confirmed and must be cancelled into an unsafe special without meter.

I don't play Shinnok and I'm not saying he isn't top tier but those are legitimate weaknesses.

 

[SM StarGazer]

His overhead is unsafe and not cancellable.

Both of his armored specials are unsafe.

Hell sparks is unsafe without meter and sometimes even with meter.

His low cannot be hit confirmed and must be cancelled into an unsafe special without meter.

I don't play Shinnok and I'm not saying he isn't top tier but those are legitimate weaknesses.

Overshadowed by the fact that smart players will easily rebait your punish to put you back in the salty blender. Null

 

[Tony at Home]

His overhead is unsafe and not cancellable.

Both of his armored specials are unsafe.

Hell sparks is unsafe without meter and sometimes even with meter.

His low cannot be hit confirmed and must be cancelled into an unsafe special without meter.

I don't play Shinnok and I'm not saying he isn't top tier but those are legitimate weaknesses.

Armored specials, combo starting mixups are supposed to be unsafe. That's not a weakness, that's the general status quo.

A weakness would be "what does he not have, that puts him below the average of the rest of the cast?"

 

[Ecodus]

His overhead is unsafe and not cancellable.

Both of his armored specials are unsafe.

Hell sparks is unsafe without meter and sometimes even with meter.

His low cannot be hit confirmed and must be cancelled into an unsafe special without meter.

I don't play Shinnok and I'm not saying he isn't top tier but those are legitimate weaknesses.

His OH launches which you can combo off of.

You can't actually think that his armoured scoop is a weakness. You just can't.

Hell sparks with meter is + frames. Regular sparks (if all three sparks hit, like off a d4 which is a true block string) is relatively safe.

His low... Like f4? We are talking boneshaper here right? Cancel into an unsafe special and not hitconfirmable? I don't think we are talking about the same character.

 

[ForeverKing]

There's no way Shinnok's worst MU is 5-5 and he doesn't have that many 6-4's. His numbers on this chart look better or on par with MK9 Kabal, please stop with overstating how good Shinnok is.

He's definitely a top 5 character, but he has weaknesses like every other character, he's not god tier (which is what you're implying when you say a character has zero bad match-ups.)

People say I downplay Shinnok, but if people didn't constantly say he is auto #1 with no debate and he has no bad MU's and the majority of his MU's are in his favor, I wouldn't have to.

He isn't god tier, god tier is like winning every single matchup in the game and having no 5-5's. Shinnok has 5-5's.

But he definitely doesn't lose to anybody. And honestly he doesn't really have any noticeable weaknesses, he is well rounded in all areas and actually extremely strong in many areas.

Shinnok can start the match with EX hellsparks and run up throw with frame advantage of the EX hellsparks to get a free first hit bonus lol. WHAT THEEEE!!!!!!

His 7 frame low is godlike. It leads to a string that takes out a decent amount of chip and meter gain, then end the string with gunshot to only be -3. After being -3 from the gunshot on block his 7 frame low beats out many characters' D1, in which case you rinse and repeat the string.

His zoning is easily one of the best, he can actually outzone Hish Qu Ten Predator in some situations. His gunshot is way more damage than Predator's on hit and way more hitstun than Predator's, so if Predator keeps trading he's going to get destroyed.

Being able to outzone Predator while at the same time being able to lock down alot of characters with his 7 frame low is pretty ridiculous

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

@Juggs I think BS shinnok loses to no one at the highest lvl. And yes he does win that many matchups about imo. Sonic and DJT (two of our best players) have him number one and a plethora of others do as well.

 

[Youphemism]

Like Cassie Shinnok lacks meterless damage, if he has one weakness it's that. Just wanted to make sure you all get that since it hasn't been mentioned....at all.....

 

[Doombawkz]

Like Cassie Shinnok lacks meterless damage, if he has one weakness it's that. Just wanted to make sure you all get that since it hasn't been mentioned....at all.....

Only midscreen though.
His damage is pretty good meterless in the corner.

 

[infamy23]

Armored specials, combo starting mixups are supposed to be unsafe. That's not a weakness, that's the general status quo.

A weakness would be "what does he not have, that puts him below the average of the rest of the cast?"

My low and overhead are both safe. Many characters have the same thing.

There are plenty of armored, launching specials in this game that are safe on block.

I could go through the entire cast and give you a ton of examples but honestly people like you have already made up their mind so whatever, go figure it out for yourself.

I can punish Shinnok every time he makes a mistake and that's more than I can say for a lot of characters in this game who just do whatever they want with no consequences.

 

[Youphemism]

Only midscreen though.
His damage is pretty good meterless in the corner.

How exactly? F41D2, D1, 1123? That's not that great.

 

[GGA Jeremiah]

How on earth is Relentless Jason a 4/6 vs Summoner Quan Chi? That has to be one of the worst MUs in the game.

Wait I might be wrong. Let me go watch the REO Jason fight vs the summoner Quan Chi at that tournament. Maybe there are options I am missing.

 

[Doombawkz]

How exactly? F41D2, D1, 1123? That's not that great.

PRetty good by shinnok standards I mean.

Like 30%-ish.

 

[Crimson Panther]

I personally think Tanya beats Predator at least 6-4.

 

[xInfra Deadx]

Shinnok has no weaknesses.

None.

You're forever confined to his game when you're in Sparks range.

 

[ZigZag]

I'm feeling the Flame Fist numbers for sure. pretty middle of the road, viable in the right matchups. It's just more defensive overall than his other variations I would say.

EDIT: Having said that I'm not so sure he does lose to BS Shin that much, perhaps just 4-6 rather than 3-7, But heck maybe I still need lots more experience i've some good Shinnoks and despite knowing there's better it just didn't feel that biased.

 

[JerzeyReign]

Thank you YOMI for giving Mileena some 5-5 matches. I gotta grind a lot more because I get bodied by MOS Ermac and HW Jax. Ermac just disappears on me every two seconds and Jax snatches me outta everything.

 

[Renzokuken]

Has anyone made a tier list based on this chart?

If we're going by the point tier formula, then it's:

1) Shinnok (Boneshaper) - 192
2) Kung Lao (Tempest) - 185
3) Tanya (Kobu Jutsu) - 180
4) Predator (Hunter) - 176
Predator (Hish-Qu-Ten) - 176
5) Cassie Cage (Hollywood) - 172
6) Quan Chi (Summoner) - 171
7) D'Vorah (Swarm Queen) - 169
8) Scorpion (Hellfire) - 168
9) Kitana (Royal Storm) - 167
Tremor (Aftershock) - 167
10) Erron Black (Outlaw) - 165
Sub-Zero (Grandmaster) - 165
11) Kung Jin (Shaolin) - 162
12) Sonya Blade (Covert Ops) - 161
Johnny Cage (A-List) - 161
13) Liu Kang (Flame Fist) - 160
Kung Jin (Bojutsu) - 160
14) Quan Chi (Sorcerer) - 158
Raiden (Thunder God) - 158
Kitana (Mournful) - 158
15) Ermac (Master of Souls) - 157
Kano (Cybernetic) - 157
Kotal Kahn (War God) - 157
16) Jax (Heavy Weapons) - 156
17) Kenshi (Balanced) - 150
18) Mileena (Ravenous) - 148
19) Reptile (Noxious) - 146
20) Takeda (Shirai Ryu) - 140
21) Jacqui Briggs (Full Auto) - 136
22) Ferra/Torr (Vicious) - 132
23) Jason (Relentless) - 126
24) Goro (Kuatan Warrior) - 112

Feel free to correct me on these.

 

[4x4lo8o]

PRetty good by shinnok standards I mean.

Like 30%-ish.

21%

 

[Doombawkz]

21%

29%, and its universal.

 

[xInfra Deadx]

29%, and its universal.

21% and it's Bone Shaper exclusive.