Breakthrough - Kano FINALLY, The Kano Community Speaks Up. Save Kano's Relevance With Needed Fixes And Reasonable Buffs

[Rager Da Prince]

I had to put Kano in the pocket cuz he just couldn't give me the results. I started this game with Commando and have since(imho) move up the grappler ladder to sun god. I learned cyber recently and still feel sun god has a better shot in almost most match ups. Commando's lack of reliable mid screen meterless damage, lack of AA's(besides b1), lack of tick throws, lack of any real pressure or overhead that least knockdown, and lack of a pop-up left me feeling I was playing a gimpy Sun God.

I still play Commando and cyber in the pocket but Kano could truly use a good buffing, not Kenshi or Kitana buffing, nut just a tweak. I think he will be a solid mid-tier. His basically Ryu without overhead.

Buffs
B312: The 2 is now over head and special cancelable
Commando string: Being able to decide where you will place i.e in front or behind. Also a being able to meterburn for a pop-up.

Wishful thinking
Make f4 a OH
Parries have more + frames
Tick throws off 2, 3, b1, b13, and maybe f4.

Edit: Kano's parries shit on Kotal's.

 

[LOCO]

No, you can't and you won't because you can't. A bug fix is necessary, unwarranted buffs are not. I said it was my opinion that a slight damage buff on his launching strings would make Cybernetic perfect, other people are asking for unnecessary buffs saying he does need them like it's fact. Get your shit straight before you make shit posts like that one.

Dude he is not low tier, he's mid tier. If he were low tier he'd have tons of losing matchups and wouldn't be able to compete with the rest of the top tiers or even just the cast yet he doesn't have that many losing matchups and can compete with the top tiers/cast. Bottom 10 does not mean low tier, it just means other characters are more powerful. Goro is worse, Kitana, Takeda, etc. Kano isn't them.

I can understand why you guys might feel like he's lacking but here's how it is: if you want a character that gives you easier wins then don't play Kano. If you want to play Kano don't complain about anything that isn't bugs because you're choosing to play Kano and noone wants to deal with the negativity of complaining and crying for buffs. It's what we were avoiding and criticising other communities for and now it's spread to us just because patches are there and you guys want him buffed. If he gets them then fine but that's NRS' decision in the end so crying or not it's not up to us. Paulo reads these forums anyway.

Plus you forget about my theory, Sub Zero, Kano and Jax are targets in the next patch

1st, I ready told you I'm not going to waste my time, especially reasoning with a nonrational narcissist that attempts to minimize anyone that doesn't fit his twisted logic

2nd, what makes your opinion valid and everyone else's unwarranted, I actually think a damage buff is much less reasonable than most of the suggestions here, why do YOU get to decide which suggestions are reasonable

3rd, your the only one spreading negativity, if u don't agree that's fine, but don't go throwing everyone else in the toilet, that's why u get a shit response cuz of your shit mouth. The Kano community has came to realize that this guy has some straight up backward crap that needs to get straighten out, actual players that PLAY KANO religiously, you seem to have switch sides after Pig said kano was whatever he said, Pig don't play Kano so i dont give a damn what he said, I'll give his opinion more weight if it was concerning Kenshi, but its not. And after all your bitching u end with this

Plus you forget about my theory, Sub Zero, Kano and Jax are targets in the next patch

WTF dude? really, does your head flip around that fast?

 

[LOCO]

about the OH
b1 for commando defiantly would be broken, the move is already badass as is
I was thinking around the line of 2 f4 making 2 a mid and f4 the OH... but the 2 mid might be a lil overdoing it due to the +2 on block u get from it

 

[NHDR]

No buff for EX powerup? Waste of meter to lose the buff if you get hit once. Maybe allow it to absorb one hit for free?

 

[Tony at Home]

I just want to be able to play this character and have my inputs work. He looks so fun, but the grab input is duuuuumb

= throw
= knee

This is dumb, because the controls pick and choose when they are agnostic to diagonal inputs and when they are not.

That is the equivalent to but is not the equivalent to makes absolutely no sense, and it gives me random missed inputs when trying to do a simple command grab for this character.

 

[dribirut]

Bone Shaper Shinnok has become Cybernetic Kano with offense.

Lol shinnok has vortex 50/50s, Kano like zoning, ridiculous frame fraps and he's still not broken yet Kano mains didn't want to give kano even a 7% overhead lol

 

[Noserfatu]

Nah he's fine. Level up

 

[DFC]

Nah he's fine. Level up

Use those pretty little eyes to read, next time.

 

[ando1184]

Regarding the shinnok OH comparison: why not give commando and cyber an OH combo starter like shinnok. His f2 input (since it does nothing in those variations) could become the last hit of his b312 string (like shinnok's change), then all 3 variations would have OH that lead to combos. Just like everyone else in this game

 

[Youphemism]

1st, I ready told you I'm not going to waste my time, especially reasoning with a nonrational narcissist that attempts to minimize anyone that doesn't fit his twisted logic

2nd, what makes your opinion valid and everyone else's unwarranted, I actually think a damage buff is much less reasonable than most of the suggestions here, why do YOU get to decide which suggestions are reasonable

3rd, your the only one spreading negativity, if u don't agree that's fine, but don't go throwing everyone else in the toilet, that's why u get a shit response cuz of your shit mouth. The Kano community has came to realize that this guy has some straight up backward crap that needs to get straighten out, actual players that PLAY KANO religiously, you seem to have switch sides after Pig said kano was whatever he said, Pig don't play Kano so i dont give a damn what he said, I'll give his opinion more weight if it was concerning Kenshi, but its not. And after all your bitching u end with this

Plus you forget about my theory, Sub Zero, Kano and Jax are targets in the next patch

WTF dude? really, does your head flip around that fast?

1. Of course you're not going to "waste your time" trying to find something that doesn't exist, but whatever. And really? "nonrational"? Are you 12? I'm not an irrational narcissist because Kano is mid tier, get over it. If you want to win everything easy then change character, it's not hard.

2. I never said my opinion was valid nor my buffs warranted, it's my opinion just as much as the others' opinions are theirs. And who said anything about me getting to decide which are reasonable or not? That's also my opinion obviously. What's your point?!

3. How am I spreading negativity?! I'm the one trying to restore peace to the community instead of us turning into one of the other communities that just isn't cries about how they're not happy with their character and makes buff (and fixes, I know) threads instead of being content or moving on to another character that they find easier to win with. We used to be the community that everyone knew as the cool community for not arguing and being fine with our character but now suddenly because Kenshi, Kitana and Shinnok got patched the rest of you feel he needs buffs and should be just because patches are there even though he's not as bad as they were. Your complaining is the real negativity. As for insinuating that I don't play Kano religiously myself you clearly have no idea what you're talking about there so don't pretend you do.

My last statement is to appease the Kano players begging for buffs since they've now been at it like the Kitana and Kenshi communities were. Why can't we be like the Shinnok community? You never saw them make buff request threads even though he was the worst character in the game pre-patch, yet NRS acknowledged his problems and buffed him accordingly and the Shinnoks are happier than ever. You guys just need to have a little more faith in yourself, the character and NRS. It's not the actual buffs I'm saddened by but the volume you're requesting them at.

I'm super disappointed in all you guys because when we started I loved being part of a positive community that talks about the character, matchups, tech, etc instead of fighting but look what you've become...

 

[Error]

You're the one fighting with us lol, you can't strawman us and move the goalpost at every second and then complain about feeling attacked because someone called you out on it.

Did it ever occur to you that we weren't asking for buffs day one like the rest of TYM because we wanted to give it time instead of changing a character we knew nothing about?

You can disagree with people who think Kano needs buffs, but don't attack us ("you guys only want easy wins") or act super condescendingly and then complain that the Kano forms have become too negative.

Edit: There are at least 3 Shinnok improvement/buff threads in the Shinnok forums as well, so yeah...

 

[haketh]

No buff for EX powerup? Waste of meter to lose the buff if you get hit once. Maybe allow it to absorb one hit for free?

Hell no with how massive the reward is off of it and how useful it is as an armored reversal

It's so frustrating we have more buff & fix request threads than MU discussion *This applies to the whole site not just here*

 

[Oh My Zod]

The guy is exactly the ONLY one arguing with us. I love his condescending tone in every post. "I'm super disappointed in all you guys" LOL BAHAHAHAHA, ok then Dad.... so sorry about that LOL. He uses the Shinnok situation as a prime example, and yah it is the best case scenario for our character in this game. People ask for buffs, like Kenshi, Shinnok , Liu Kang, and then got the hook up. What part of the whole mission are you not understanding? Keep rolling with that "level up your play" talk all you want, you can sprinkle diamond dust on rat shit but that doesnt make it filet mignon. I realize you have to hit someone many more times with Kano to get the win than other characters.... but I want to be able to hit them at some point. Keep picking Kano and have fun trying to chip damage them out with throwing knives instead of opening them up with ANY overhead, thats championship character material there.

 

[VoyagersRevenge]

You're the one fighting with us lol, you can't strawman us and move the goalpost at every second and then complain about feeling attacked because someone called you out on it.

Did it ever occur to you that we weren't asking for buffs day one like the rest of TYM because we wanted to give it time instead of changing a character we knew nothing about?

You can disagree with people who think Kano needs buffs, but don't attack us ("you guys only want easy wins") or act super condescendingly and then complain that the Kano forms have become too negative.

Edit: There are at least 3 Shinnok improvement/buff threads in the Shinnok forums as well, so yeah...

Just placed 1st at a local in the Bronx, NYC sponsored by startup box. Played cybernetic all the way. Just going to mention that Shinnoks boneshaper made me WORK MY ASS OFF. I'm in the lab with this match up until Kano possibly gets something other than fixes. Kano loyalty paid off and will continue to!

 

[SaltShaker]

We used to be the community that everyone knew as the cool community for not arguing and being fine with our character

I'm super disappointed in all you guys because when we started I loved being part of a positive community that talks about the character, matchups, tech, etc instead of fighting but look what you've become...

 

[Youphemism]

You're the one fighting with us lol, you can't strawman us and move the goalpost at every second and then complain about feeling attacked because someone called you out on it.

Did it ever occur to you that we weren't asking for buffs day one like the rest of TYM because we wanted to give it time instead of changing a character we knew nothing about?

You can disagree with people who think Kano needs buffs, but don't attack us ("you guys only want easy wins") or act super condescendingly and then complain that the Kano forms have become too negative.

Edit: There are at least 3 Shinnok improvement/buff threads in the Shinnok forums as well, so yeah...

We're fighting with each other since you guys think he needs buffs and we're fine with him the way he is. When did I complain about feeling attacked?

Actually the Kitana mains were always upset with their character but didn't end up making an organized buff request thread until not long before the last patch came out soooo

It's not condescending to point out what you guys' opinions on the character is, if you don't want an easy character then why are you asking for buffs? And don't put quotation marks around words that aren't actually in my posts, you're not helping your argument by doing that.

My point is that while you guys are the ones asking for buffs people like Coach Steve and I are content with our character and will continue to play him because we like to play him and don't care about what tier he is. If you care about winning more than what character you play then instead of complaining about the character you currently play just go pick up someone else because complaining just brings unnecessary negativity.

Lol are you actually suggesting buff threads made by randoms are good evidence? Come on dude I'm sure you know better than that.

 

[SaltShaker]

Just placed 1st at a local in the Bronx, NYC sponsored by startup box. Played cybernetic all the way. Just going to mention that Shinnoks boneshaper made me WORK MY ASS OFF. I'm in the lab with this match up until Kano possibly gets something other than fixes. Kano loyalty paid off and will continue to!

How is the competition at StartUp? It's a monthly right? I think I'll go myself if the players are good.

 

[Youphemism]

The guy is exactly the ONLY one arguing with us. I love his condescending tone in every post. "I'm super disappointed in all you guys" LOL BAHAHAHAHA, ok then Dad.... so sorry about that LOL. He uses the Shinnok situation as a prime example, and yah it is the best case scenario for our character in this game. People ask for buffs, like Kenshi, Shinnok , Liu Kang, and then got the hook up. What part of the whole mission are you not understanding? Keep rolling with that "level up your play" talk all you want, you can sprinkle diamond dust on rat shit but that doesnt make it filet mignon. I realize you have to hit someone many more times with Kano to get the win than other characters.... but I want to be able to hit them at some point. Keep picking Kano and have fun trying to chip damage them out with throwing knives instead of opening them up with ANY overhead, thats championship character material there.

How is it condescending?! You're asking for buffs instead of working on the character, it's a point that's proven by the posts in the forum. I'm not trying to call you bad players or anything nor am I suggesting I'm better than any of you I'm just pointing out that I'm not the one complaining about the character.

If you think opening people up requires an overhead then you're the problem, not Kano. Throws are also a way of opening people up you know, and as I've mentioned plenty before in the forum which obviously you're ignoring to try and have a point his mixups come from staggered blockstrings (or tick throws depending on the variation). Sorry Kano isn't top tier, deal with it. Your post is proving my point that you'd rather complain than work with what you've got.

 

[Oh My Zod]

I would be happy is B1 was back to its release day speeds. Also, its pretty easy to point out right now.... if you dont want to have the character buffed then dont post anymore in the thread. READ WHAT THE THREAD TITLE IS, love it or leave it guy.

 

[DownfouralitY]

buff shinnok

 

[Oh My Zod]

How is it condescending?! You're asking for buffs instead of working on the character, it's a point that's proven by the posts in the forum. I'm not trying to call you bad players or anything nor am I suggesting I'm better than any of you I'm just pointing out that I'm not the one complaining about the character.

If you think opening people up requires an overhead then you're the problem, not Kano. Throws are also a way of opening people up you know, and as I've mentioned plenty before in the forum which obviously you're ignoring to try and have a point his mixups come from staggered blockstrings (or tick throws depending on the variation). Sorry Kano isn't top tier, deal with it. Your post is proving my point that you'd rather complain than work with what you've got.

Ok so your strategy to damage your opponent is landing a 12% throw? Or perhaps landing an OVERHEAD jump in punch to start a combo? How is that different from the rest of the ENTIRE cast's options? After 1500 wins with primarily Cybernetic I know what to do. After playing just about any other character I like, its painfully obvious how easy it is to win with sooo many other characters. Not asking for the same easy win or easy usage, asking for tools to deal with these easy mode gamers.

 

[ciaran carrick]

And now every character has a buff thread.

Shit I hadn't realized 4-5 fixes to moves not working as intended were buffs!

Screw balancing the game, just leave your shit alone right?

 

[DFC]

Shit I hadn't realized 4-5 fixes to moves not working as intended were buffs!

Screw balancing the game, just leave your shit alone right?

It really makes you wonder just how many people see the thread title, then post without actually reading what was suggested.

 

[ciaran carrick]

It really makes you wonder just how many people see the thread title, then post without actually reading what was suggested.

I've read the title.

The "Buffs" if you wanna call them that are practically fix suggestions, Excepting tick options for commando

B1 in cutthroat, Air laser, air ball AA and 112 Air unreliable for their intended purpose

Commando tick options only one you can really argue as a buff as it adds something to the character

The other suggestions fix, not enhance

 

[DFC]

I've read the title.

The "Buffs" if you wanna call them that are practically fix suggestions, Excepting tick options for commando

I was responding to you, but referring to other people that come in and say "GIT GUD" or "WOW EVERYONE WANTS BUFFS", without actually realizing what is being aked for