Shinnok desperately needed one because aside from a jump attack he had 0 OHs. It was something we did request way back when and was a SEVERE problem with the character. Every character should, at least in this game have a OH. Doesn't have to be safe, but it's needed.
No. There are better grapplers, better zoners and better 50/50 characters. There is no reason to pick him up unless you're a masochist and think that the revolution skin is the best skin in the world (like me)
Is there anyone that feels like how Kano does though? I don't want a offensive character who kinda grabs sometimes. I have that with Brawler Cassie. I liked the kinda methodical way I played Kano. Putting out pokes and trying to get my opponent to stand still long enough for me to get started. Then abuse some frame traps or empty jumps into more grabs. Kano seemed unfinished in this department. Maybe there is no one who really does what I'm looking for and hopefully tremor or even Predator does this.
Don't get me wrong. I love Kano. But I wouldn't recommend picking him up unless you really like him. But I will say this. He is good practice if you want to improve your spacing, footies and punishing. No flowchart 50/50s forces you to play smart and it is really improving my fundamentals
Did he already have his f4 at least? If so then he was exactly like Kano is now in cyber and commando. Although I gotta say he still had his FB chip and pressure so I'd say his trump card was a little better. But this just helps solidify our argument on why it shouldn't be hard or unjustified to give Kano what everyone else has.
He did but it was actually his b3, which then was swapped with the 1123, making the 3 of that string his b3 now with a popup (it was made negative on block by like -14, not on the game right now to check and is 18 frames of startup) and the old b3 became f4, and old f4 became f3 lol
Well, it wasnt brought up to him that the primary suggestions were closer to bugfixes(thnx Youphykins), but even so, I respectfully disagree? But I ain't nobody, and my opinion don't mean squat.
I completely disagree with Pig on that. Any character can get better or given shit to make them worth it. I mean you've seen characters get new normals even, with them being existing animations.
Anyone who doesn't play as Kano religiously would most likely assume that as well I guess. Jumped online and played a couple of matches, placed top 30 when I actually checked to see if there were any Kano's. I work my ass off at locals, his footsie game is dangerous and he's got the tools except his up ball needs to act as an anti air against certain neutrals. The AA Laser seems practically useless besides turning into a brutality but oh well I guess. The video on this thread points out the fixes he needs. I never thought cyber needed the damage.. the knives are a huge part of the damage... it's there. I just want fixes for moves that don't perform the way they were intended to. Everyone should be fishing out these unintentional flaws for any of their favorite characters imo.
Added damage was always a Vanity buff in my eyes. One that people want, but is far from necessary, while things like added plus frames to EX knife is a situation that gets brought up because of all the other characters that get that bonus while having more. Then there's stuff like the B1 hitbox, which is absolutely necessary in the eyes of many, but not needed at all in the eyes of others. Then of course, 112 whiffs and parries that are 100% supported.
Says the Kenshi player.
Ex knives deserves more frame advantage for the meter spent. B1 hitbox for Cutthroat may stay the same because it's design may have been meant for a run in input, despite the major whiffs, it gets damage when it works. 112 whiffs should be fixed and the visually deceiving parries for commando are wonky.
Yeah the parries when I saw them blew my mind as to why they'll grab the wrong type.
Coach Steve still plays him...and Royale is in winners at CEO right now having put Tom Brady and Trepound in losers. Who do you think is our top players?
Dude come on, you can win with Kano. He does well against a bunch of the top variations in the game. Being one of the least used doesn't make him bad, and when was he ever popular in tournament?
Well most of the discussion changed to him needing buffs because he's apparently so bad and you can't win with him, am I wrong? DMS mentioned this thread and I'm sure Pig saw it too which is why I didn't bring it up, but they might not have known about the majority of the community wanting him to be improved.
Exactly right.
That's....not a good point really. One of those reasons could be that they don't play that archetype of character. You don't see anyone with a pocket Jax either, does that mean he's bad?
Perceived is the key word here. The point is even bringing up the idea that he's hard to win with is pessimistic, who cares? If you like the character and play him well enough that you feel you can win with him do it. If he was legitimately unviable then there could be a point in asking for buffs but he's viable and clearly it's possible to win with him so besides bugs what's the problem? What makes a character easy to win with would either be great damage or great mixups, remind you of a certain Kano variation? And you're right, player skill is what counts mostly so unless the character is literally riddled with bugs there's not a lot to warrant dream buffs.
I actually think the decision for that this game was because of the last gen ports. It would be easier to still use a suped up UE3 engine for everything and scale down for last gen but... As you can see, that idea didn't really work too well.