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No Injustice/MvC3 tourney at NLBC due to low entrants - first time ever

Honestly the school season for most of the players living in the city is what I think is hurting turnout numbers. Couple that with the fact that me, kdz, fran, and darth live in Jersey and have to pay a 13 dollar toll before entering next level where there is sadly a deficit in numbers, it just isn't worth it. The break seems to consistently get ~15 entrants. Idk why it has been sluggish for NL besides school, but I am definitely saddened by it. Even MAHVEL has had nothing. Hmm maybe to get people to come out we can all put like 10 dollars into a pot for a 'pot bonus' to get people to come out? I really am stumped.
Would you say that part of the issue is that NLBC and The Break tournaments are somewhat in competition (not directly, but that segments of the playerbase prefer one over the other)?

Maybe players don't feel enough incentive to attend NLBC? Maybe the local scene is splintering? Maybe people don't like the game? Maybe GTAV?
 

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
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i'm not beating ppl up about not playing both, but I find it quite hilarious that many were like (yeah we'll play both), then when IGAU comes out, many just pushed mk9 to the side. That's my problem (and I know it is the problem of others) with the IGAU and MK9 situation. If ppl want to play one game, go on ahead, but me and others are getting tired of the mk9 vs IGAU debates on TYM all the time lol, it's getting redundant, repetitive, and old now.
Yeah -- I just think you have to look at the whole picture. The reality of the situation is:

MK9, despite being an amazingly fun game, was on life support for a long time. We were begging people to show up to majors, begging people to pick the game back up again, begging people to preregister. A lot of people had issues with the game and the lack of a final patch, but they kept playing anyway because they had nothing else to play, their friends/community were playing it, etc.

Most of the best players had stopped showing up to VSM long before IGAU was released.

It's just that most people simply didn't feel 'at home' playing any other games.

Once Injustice came out it simply exposed the fact that not everyone was continuing to play our of sheer dedication and love to MK9 specifically, and that people did have legitimate issues; were dissatisfied with the way the game balance turned out or building a life lead to get reset for 100%, fighting iAGB+EXdash or Spirit Charges, the uneven distribution of armored footsie-destroying moves, uneven distribution of safe fast normals and frame data, etc., even though they love the Mortal Kombat franchise. So they found another game they liked in Injustice and played it, while people like you and your bro kept playing both.

Two factors at play:
1) The game style, swag, and underlying system, which most of us who were here for it loved, and-
2) Bugs, glitches, massively unfair character advantages -- which people didn't like (even in Injustice; and that's why it was patched)

So for MK10, think of it this way; first of all, it's Mortal Kombat and NRS; so that's guaranteed sales in the millions for a good game. Second, if people like the engine, the game mechanics, etc. and it's not held back by things that held MK9 back competitively then it's going to explode. It'll blow up regardless of what anyone is playing now, and regardless of what anyone says here today.
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
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Changed the title, even though this thread is designed to spark life into Injustice players, specifically saying only Injustice didn't happen is misleading. Especially now since it has been promoted. Sabin
 
lmao :p, didn't catch that. Typing fast and not checking because I got homework :(, that senior in high school life.

lol i hear ya on that. homework was one of my least favorite parts about HS. i know the feels :( keep us from the finer things in life, like video games and discussions such as this one. lol.
 

TheBoyBlunder

They love my Grayson
Injustice dead? Well, I'm gonna be playing this game until Injustice 2 comes out; it's just a personal favorite of mine.
 
Yeah -- I just think you have to look at the whole picture. The reality of the situation is:

MK9, despite being an amazingly fun game, was on life support for a long time. We were begging people to show up to majors, begging people to pick the game back up again, begging people to preregister. A lot of people had issues with the game and the lack of a final patch, but they kept playing anyway because they had nothing else to play, their friends/community were playing it, etc.

Most of the best players had stopped showing up to VSM long before IGAU was released.

It's just that most people simply didn't feel 'at home' playing any other games.

Once Injustice came out it simply exposed the fact that not everyone was continuing to play our of sheer dedication and love to MK9 specifically, and that people did have legitimate issues; were dissatisfied with the way the game balance turned out or building a life lead to get reset for 100%, fighting iAGB+EXdash or Spirit Charges, the uneven distribution of armored footsie-destroying moves, etc., even though they love the Mortal Kombat franchise. So they found another game they liked in Injustice and played it, while people like you and your bro kept playing both.

Two factors at play:
1) The game style, swag, and underlying system, which most of us who were here for it loved, and-
2) Bugs, glitches, massively unfair character advantages -- which people didn't like (even in Injustice; and that's why it was patched)

So for MK10, think of it this way; first of all, it's Mortal Kombat and NRS; so that's guaranteed sales in the millions for a good game. Second, if people like the engine, the game mechanics, etc. and it's not held back by things that held MK9 back competitively then it's going to explode. It'll blow up regardless of what anyone is playing now, and regardless of what anyone says here today.
true, but balance should be the least of people's issue because all fighting games have terrible balance issues lol. For every game, I've seen ppl complain about characters and certain things in multiple fighting games. Either way, yeah MK10 will be great of course and IGAU and mk9 are going to be great for NRS to learn off of.
 

pherleece

Woolay
If someone starts bodying the scene in sf4 the way chris g bodies people in marvel and rico bodies people in injustice nobody would show up for sf4 either. To me it just sounds like NYC is a bunch of bitches that would rather cry and complain and not show up than level up. Sabin being the exception.
Dont sound ignorant saying NYC is s bunch of bitches and blah blah blah cause there are less then 5 people really crying and most of us has better things to do. The location and day of the week is terrible. If it remains on Wednesday I'll never get to go.
 

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
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true, but balance should be the least of people's issue because all fighting games have terrible balance issues lol. For every game, I've seen ppl complain about characters and certain things in multiple fighting games.
Yeah. I mean balance is part of the story; but there were also specific mechanics that a lot of people didn't like playing against. This includes iAGBs accompanied by EXDash and NDC, Spirit Charge shenanigans, characters that could yoloarmor through all of your footsies even though they already had a full toolset while you barely had useful armor, or characters that straight-up didn't have useful pokes even though they need them, forcing them to be 100% unsafe yolo all the time to get damage, glitches that stole their meter once the finally got it, or made inputs come out in an f'ed up way that cost them matches, and lagging out frequently online.

That has more to do with 'game mechanics' than just sheer balance.

We ignored most of that stuff because the game was fun. But for a lot of people, Injustice is also fun :) And some of that stuff, they don't have to deal with to the same degree.

It's true that there isn't a perfect game; but anything with 'Capcom' on it has a little bit more leeway for people to keep playing it anyway. I think people have gotten used to the idea of Marvel being 'broken' in a cartoony kind of way, but I'm not sure they always like those same qualities in other games.
 
What cracks me up is people saying, "I don't have the passion for this game like I did for MK..."

And then they're not playing MK anymore either.
But MK has been out for about 2.5 years, while Injustice has only been out for almost half a year.

I think a lot of people don't really like the game too much, but since NRS made it, we try and support it. As expected around this time of the game's life span, people are slowly dropping it, while there are some who are 100% committed to it and actually like the game.
 
Yeah. I mean balance is part of the story; but there were also specific mechanics that a lot of people didn't like playing against. This includes iAGBs accompanied by EXDash and NDC, Spirit Charge shenanigans, characters that could yoloarmor through all of your footsies even though they already had a full toolset while you barely had useful armor, or characters that straight-up didn't have useful pokes even though they need them, forcing them to be 100% unsafe yolo all the time to get damage, and glitches that stole their meter once the finally got it, or made inputs come out in an f'ed up way that cost them matches.

That has more to do with 'game mechanics' than just sheer balance.

We ignored most of that stuff because the game was fun. But for a lot of people, Injustice is also fun :) And some of that stuff, they don't have to deal with to the same degree.

It's true that there isn't a perfect game; but anything with 'Capcom' on it has a little bit more leeway for people to keep playing it anyway. I think people have gotten used to the idea of Marvel being broken, but I'm not sure they always like those same qualities in other games.
yeah true, even though we all got to admit, if every character was made with similar tools and the same "dirt" and what not, the game would be plentiful in how many characters that would be played, but not the best to watch because everyone is doing almost exactly the same thing. That is one reason why I believe virtua fighter hasn't exploded like street fighter, all characters in that game have different styles but none are doing anything that unique to be honest. Also who won WNF yesterday? :p
 

pherleece

Woolay
I live on Long Island and I want to see a scene build here ... I hate having to drive to the cesspool which is NYC everytime for a tournament.... any word on VSM again? or something further east?
You sure your from long island calling nyc a cesspool? Many parts of nyc are just as nice as long island and parts of long island are just as bad as the bad parts of nyc. Queens is basically long island...
 

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
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yeah true, even though we all got to admit, if every character was made with similar tools and the same "dirt" and what not, the game would be plentiful in how many characters that would be played, but not the best to watch because everyone is doing almost exactly the same thing. That is one reason why I believe virtua fighter hasn't exploded like street fighter, all characters in that game have different styles but none are doing anything that unique to be honest. Also who won WNF yesterday? :p
Yeah I mean, look at what happened when Scorpion dropped; people were like "Hell no; we're not having that this time" and dag near revolted to make sure that same kind of crazy stuff didn't take over the game, lol.

But yeah, we'll see what happens with Supes as people adjust to the new post-patch opportunities for countering him (most people haven't developed new habits yet). To Tyrant's credit he used mostly Grundy last night and was swagging it up.
 
Yeah I mean, look at what happened when Scorpion dropped; people were like "Hell no; we're not having that this time" and dag near revolted to make sure that same kind of crazy stuff didn't take over the game, lol.

But yeah, we'll see what happens with Supes as people adjust to the new post-patch opportunities for countering him (most people haven't developed new habits yet). To Tyrant's credit he used mostly Grundy last night and was swagging it up.
agreed, NEC is going to be the stepping stone (or whatever you call it lol :p) for this game. It will be the first multi regional major for this patch, so it is going to be very important how many entrants NEC gets, how hype it is, and etc.
 

Dark_Rob

Noob
Injustice is the number 1 reason why VSM is no more. Not because of whether Injustice is good or bad, or because I don't like it or Phil doesn't like it. Injustice simply doesn't draw like MK9 did. MK9 used to pack out the gamers edge every week, especially that first year. The players were devoted to it, they were hype for it, they had passion for it. MK9 has its problems to, but no one cared, they still loved it.
Injustice just didn't inspire that same devotion. If 10 people showed up for Injustice that was alot. It just wasn't enough for Gamers Edge to keep staying open for us every Thursday. Im not hating on Injustice, just stating what's what. It doesn't draw, at least not consistently enough for weeklys at Gamers edge. NY is MK through and through, it always has been.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
MKF30

You threw the pitch, I just hit a homer
My responce dude.

Dont sound ignorant saying NYC is s bunch of bitches and blah blah blah cause there are less then 5 people really crying and most of us has better things to do. The location and day of the week is terrible. If it remains on Wednesday I'll never get to go.

Grand slam! :)
:) You're cool, can we be friends. I agree, if this was on a friday night or Saturday I'd sooooo go...Wednesday night at 9-10 pm, apparently if 5 people showed isn't the greatest time.


In all seriousness pig, I don't play MVC3 lol (do any of us really do here?) you know I can't see/blocked from the tournament forum updates right can't join if I don't know. *shrugs*

Maybe you can IM me the details of NYC tourneys? Or someone? What consoles do these tournaments play on? Wednesday nights? Ok, any other day of just that day?
 

Art Killer B

[Mid-tier Humble-man]
I don't understand why is everyone always against Jr. Why people just keep throwing indirects at him with "MK players who haven't succeeded in Injustice hate the game", parroting he is "not relevant" and sucks at the game. When out of the top MK9 players (the ones who won majors or placed top 3 or got top 8 in the game's life time -consistently-), CDjr is one of the few* who have been in top 8s at Injustice majors. And not only that, he has the second most top 8s to date (ECT 5, CEO and VxG).

But if by "having succeeded in the game" you mean "winning a major", well, the only MK9 players who have won one are Jeremiah, REO, Tom Brady and Perfect Legend.

*List of MK9-players-who-were-in-more-than-one-MK9-top-8-that-have-been-in-Injustice-top-8s-at-majors:
DJT (1)
Wafflez (1)
Curbolicous (1)
Crazy Dominican (1)
Maxter (1)
Sonic Fox (1)
Dizzy (1)
Khaotik (2)
Wound Cowboy (2)
Tom Brady (2)
Perfect Legend (2)
CDjr (3)
Forever King (3)
REO (5)

Other known MK9 players who have been in top 8s:
MF Slayer (1), Slips (1), Soonk (1), Han (1), Jeremiah (1), Jer (1), PPJ (1), Goodspeed (2)

I guess whoever is not on either list should be ashamed of himself and be called not relevant, right?