Li Mei - Kameo Choice Discussion Thread

[Wigy]

Actually testing this… seems to be some kind of block on this. Worked in theory but when you buffer the D+K to catch delay wakeup it wont let you combo off Ex-dbf4 with U+K after?

dont know if anyone else wants to test it but it seemed to be totally blocked.

 

[Pan1cMode]

Actually testing this… seems to be some kind of block on this. Worked in theory but when you buffer the D+K to catch delay wakeup it wont let you combo off Ex-dbf4 with U+K after?

dont know if anyone else wants to test it but it seemed to be totally blocked.

Might be because he still hasn’t technically left the screen yet.

 

[Wigy]

Might be because he still hasn’t technically left the screen yet.

nope- he doesnt come out if they dont delay wakeup. He was never on screen, that was the point of the setup. D+K comes out as an OS in case they delay wakeup.

Its some kind of bug/failsafe NRS has put in for some reason. Can try it yourself

 

[rifraf]

Mavado got "normalised" and is ready for Combo Breaker this weekend

Jokes aside, I still think the kameo gives impressive utility to characters and still worth the 100hp hit. His pushblock sucks though, but I think it's intentional since it feels... experimental.

 

[Pan1cMode]

Mavado got "normalised" and is ready for Combo Breaker this weekend

Jokes aside, I still think the kameo gives impressive utility to characters and still worth the 100hp hit. His pushblock sucks though, but I think it's intentional since it feels... experimental.

How much is the damage nerf? Is she still hitting 42%+ for 1bar+kameo midscreen and 45%+ for 1 bar+kameo in the corner?

If so, I still think he’s really good for her.

Really the benefit of him above Janet is the plus frames from b+kameo, and the full screen presence of b+k against someone like peacemaker. The health sacrifice, and Janet being more available for throw combos make the decision between the two a bit of a toss up.

 

[rifraf]

How much is the damage nerf?

Like 2% less on average across the board than what she used to do with him. Utility hasn't been touched at all. I think there are clear reasons to pick Janet over Mavado for Li Mei now and vice versa, or even Scorpion but he does seems to be quite weak right now. Like, his overall utility is very low. His rope is useless in this game, and his dmg output could use a tiny bit of a bump tbh.

 

[Wigy]

Looking back at janet.
I wasn’t consistently getting the ex db3 punish before so didnt notice how crap her link off it is. Mavados is way better and though ive labbed it properly and you can get ex db4 combos with janet, its like 1/2 times in practice..

I still think mavado is the best.

even with damge nerf you get more damage of poke punish, and actually get damage off exdb4 with a way to cover your ass on block.

on the whole mavado provides the best utility and damage. Though janet still might be better in specific MUs, need to use her puppet more

 

[rifraf]

Looking back at janet.
I wasn’t consistently getting the ex db3 punish before so didnt notice how crap her link off it is. Mavados is way better and though ive labbed it properly and you can get ex db4 combos with janet, its like 1/2 times in practice..

I still think mavado is the best.

even with damge nerf you get more damage of poke punish, and actually get damage off exdb4 with a way to cover your ass on block.

on the whole mavado provides the best utility and damage. Though janet still might be better in specific MUs, need to use her puppet more

Yeah, Janet offers a LOT. However, she's much more complicated to use. Plus, her EXdb3 punish is still difficult to pull off consistently imo.

 

[Wigy]

Sonya looks like a decent kameo now.

she already had like 50% bnbs in the corner
Midscreen the damage is still lacking

but now:

124 jails into leg grab and is +1, links in the corner
Sonya fully charge laser f3 in the corner combos as you recover faster, on block jails into string.
Midscreen you can do a fK(hold)f3 (laser hits) f3 on block and all they can do is armour and you’re plus.

Given the changes she a is a bit better controlling space with IAFB and f3/f3cancel/f3FB when she has lantern up. Mix that in with sonya projectile. It might be best to go full send zoning sweat runaway in some matchups with her.

 

[rifraf]

Given the changes she a is a bit better controlling space with IAFB

Does anyone else having issues with the ignited lantern hitbox against crouching opponents? If I ignite a lantern slightly behind them, it whiffs

 

[Pan1cMode]

With the Janet and Mavado changes, I feel Mavado is definitely her best kameo.

Sonya does have some uses, as does Khameleon, Kung Lao, and Sub Zero.

Janet and Scoprion are always strong choices, but I feel Mavado does what they do better.

 

[Evantabes]

what's the verdict on janet puppet? i've been trying to use it more but it kinda seems like a bill imo. it feels like it can be good in very specific situations (opp in corner + they have no meter + you have full kameo) but even then it's still a bitch to set up. like is there any good way to put it up besides landing f44? i've been trying stuff like after b21 on hit or in neutral backup -> summon -> bf4 + janet shadow kick to cover it, both with limited success. i get they didn't want to put sento in a kameo but the limitations (summon speed, costing full kameo, going away completely if it gets tagged as opposed to sento just taking a rest) and opportunity cost of giving up hop punch gives makes me want to say it's just never gonna be worth it. i wish you could spend a bar to be able to summon at half kameo gauge or something so it could actually get put up after a combo. just wondering if there was anything interesting i was missing.

 

[Pan1cMode]

what's the verdict on janet puppet? i've been trying to use it more but it kinda seems like a bill imo. it feels like it can be good in very specific situations (opp in corner + they have no meter + you have full kameo) but even then it's still a bitch to set up. like is there any good way to put it up besides landing f44? i've been trying stuff like after b21 on hit or in neutral backup -> summon -> bf4 + janet shadow kick to cover it, both with limited success. i get they didn't want to put sento in a kameo but the limitations (summon speed, costing full kameo, going away completely if it gets tagged as opposed to sento just taking a rest) and opportunity cost of giving up hop punch gives makes me want to say it's just never gonna be worth it. i wish you could spend a bar to be able to summon at half kameo gauge or something so it could actually get put up after a combo. just wondering if there was anything interesting i was missing.

I think puppet for Li Mei is a bit of a bill of goods. For other characters who have a capture state move it can be really strong, but it’s just too hard to get out for her.

 

[Wigy]

what's the verdict on janet puppet? i've been trying to use it more but it kinda seems like a bill imo. it feels like it can be good in very specific situations (opp in corner + they have no meter + you have full kameo) but even then it's still a bitch to set up. like is there any good way to put it up besides landing f44? i've been trying stuff like after b21 on hit or in neutral backup -> summon -> bf4 + janet shadow kick to cover it, both with limited success. i get they didn't want to put sento in a kameo but the limitations (summon speed, costing full kameo, going away completely if it gets tagged as opposed to sento just taking a rest) and opportunity cost of giving up hop punch gives makes me want to say it's just never gonna be worth it. i wish you could spend a bar to be able to summon at half kameo gauge or something so it could actually get put up after a combo. just wondering if there was anything interesting i was missing.

f44 puppet-3, then 124 in the corner will armour break when they get up. Issue is she has gaps in like everything so you cant really do shit on block (though 4312 doesnt anymore so i’ll have to lab that) and on hit she does similar damage without the hard execution and setup.