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It's still dumb how his teleport leads into a JiP though. It was really good when you could just NJP/K.

Possessed needed it, did Shinnok need it? No.

Edit: And before I get told to "just lab it bruh" again I can beat it out like 9/10 times with Quan cause of his godlike NJP, if he doesn't delay it or anything. But then the Imposter player can just not teleport or delay the teleport and punish me during my recovery. Teleport is a VERY strong tool no matter how you sugar coat it. You Shinnok's need to stop getting so defensive.
We aren't talking about whther it's strong or not though , the discussion is about wether it's reactable or not which it is
 

ArmedCalf

I guess I play Necromancer now.. PSN: ArmedCalf
It's still dumb how his teleport leads into a JiP though. It was really good when you could just NJP/K.

Possessed needed it, did Shinnok need it? No.

Edit: And before I get told to "just lab it bruh" again I can beat it out like 9/10 times with Quan cause of his godlike NJP, if he doesn't delay it or anything. But then the Imposter player can just not teleport or delay the teleport and punish me during my recovery. Teleport is a VERY strong tool no matter how you sugar coat it. You Shinnok's need to stop getting so defensive.
No fuck that everyone else needs to wake up. Teleport was ridiculous before the patch. Teleport was insaaaaaaaaaane no way did he need it when he was +104 on mimicry. But now he needs that shit. And I stated early in that whatever the video showed was not the dumbest thing about it and I was right. I said it's reactable - which it is. His vortex is such a shell of what it was, teleport is fine the way it is rn. Impostor is in a pretty good place but let's not sit here and kid ourselves that teleport is some godlike tool that destroys all these characters
 
No fuck that everyone else needs to wake up. Teleport was ridiculous before the patch. Teleport was insaaaaaaaaaane no way did he need it when he was +104 on mimicry. But now he needs that shit. And I stated early in that whatever the video showed was not the dumbest thing about it and I was right. I said it's reactable - which it is. His vortex is such a shell of what it was, teleport is fine the way it is rn. Impostor is in a pretty good place but let's not sit here and kid ourselves that teleport is some godlike tool that destroys all these characters
Also everybody let's not forget to make netherrealm great again and realize that shinnok was / is an elder God he's the bane of the game. Also he doesn't have a ton of combos don't act like you never punish shinnok either I always get punished for ia tele online stop crying and punish more than just d2 get a meaty combo when you can. FIGHT!!!
 
It's still dumb how his teleport leads into a JiP though. It was really good when you could just NJP/K.

Possessed needed it, did Shinnok need it? No.

Edit: And before I get told to "just lab it bruh" again I can beat it out like 9/10 times with Quan cause of his godlike NJP, if he doesn't delay it or anything. But then the Imposter player can just not teleport or delay the teleport and punish me during my recovery. Teleport is a VERY strong tool no matter how you sugar coat it. You Shinnok's need to stop getting so defensive.
You know, this is a Shinnok forum. People are going to get extremely defensive if we say ANYTHING at all to criticize their main. NRS is obviously not perfect at balancing everything and time has proven that multiple times.

I'll never forget the when mimicry being +100 was even a thing. Back when people would mimicry into IAT to build a little extra meter and layer a 50/50 into a 50/50. I can assure you, if I even question or even say that mimicry being +100 back then was stupid back. I'll get the same exact response. "Just lab it bruh, you just suck".

Mimicry is still crazy good. You STILL can't even neutral duck the almost free 16% grab. I still think you should be able to neutral duck the grab, but why they make mimicry an exception man I don't know...

This forum is ridiculous. If someone criticized my main, I would politely disagree with him and tell him why the he's wrong and why my main would need such a tool. God forbid that someone would ever have a different opinion than you. You don't need to tell them that they suck or anything or overreact.
 

Wigy

There it is...
Reactable if you're prepared for it but creates a horrible footsies meta with being scared to do anything when they jump or use any advancing move with bad recovery. Its not broken but its stupid and annoying, just a bad lazy design to make imposter useful in my opinion
 

True Grave

Giving The Gift Of Graves
Mimicry is still crazy good. You STILL can't even neutral duck the almost free 16% grab. I still think you should be able to neutral duck the grab, but why they make mimicry an exception man I don't know...
How can you neutral duck something when your opponent is +14 after a move? Frame data bro, learn it.

Also his iAT is reactable. I play on a hitbox and still get AA'd or punished for trying to tele in a bad spot. Which is why you don't randomly teleport.
 

Wigy

There it is...
How can you neutral duck something when your opponent is +14 after a move? Frame data bro, learn it.

Also his iAT is reactable. I play on a hitbox and still get AA'd or punished for trying to tele in a bad spot. Which is why you don't randomly teleport.
If hes in hitstun from a move the grab should whiff. For this exact reason, otherwise you could put every poke on hit into a 50/50 grab.

Frame data bro, learn it.
 

ArmedCalf

I guess I play Necromancer now.. PSN: ArmedCalf
You know, this is a Shinnok forum. People are going to get extremely defensive if we say ANYTHING at all to criticize their main. NRS is obviously not perfect at balancing everything and time has proven that multiple times.

I'll never forget the when mimicry being +100 was even a thing. Back when people would mimicry into IAT to build a little extra meter and layer a 50/50 into a 50/50. I can assure you, if I even question or even say that mimicry being +100 back then was stupid back. I'll get the same exact response. "Just lab it bruh, you just suck".

Mimicry is still crazy good. You STILL can't even neutral duck the almost free 16% grab. I still think you should be able to neutral duck the grab, but why they make mimicry an exception man I don't know...

This forum is ridiculous. If someone criticized my main, I would politely disagree with him and tell him why the he's wrong and why my main would need such a tool. God forbid that someone would ever have a different opinion than you. You don't need to tell them that they suck or anything or overreact.
Are we talking about Mimicry or Teleport? Teleport is reactable and it was dumb. His vortex was strong af and his mindgames were nuts. There was no labbing - you'd lab to find out the answers to the 5 mind game scenarios he had once he landed mimicry but he still had to guess.

Mimicry is a joke now. I grab, f4, risk b3, do a block string. Anything else and I get punished. I can jump back tele maaaaaaybe, it depends on what they do. You land it and you're either forced to do something or you don't get shit. It is a third of what it used to be.
 

True Grave

Giving The Gift Of Graves
If hes in hitstun from a move the grab should whiff. For this exact reason, otherwise you could put every poke on hit into a 50/50 grab.

Frame data bro, learn it.
I see where you're coming from, but the same could be said for anything in this game. A character does a move that's technically unsafe, but push back and/or block stun causes it to be safe. Or how even tho you have the advantage and go for a D1 that it gets beat out by a 10 frame throw. This one is even better. How about where you d1 on hit, but get poked back because you next input is a high or not fast enough, even tho you have hit advantage?!

Everyone needs to stop worrying about something that isn't broken, and actually worry about things like bugs, a glitch, game breaking mechanics, and etc. There is nothing OP or broken with Shinnok and things like iAT just need to be labbed. How do you think players can NJP a crossover or AA on reaction? Because they practice and ingrain what to do when A,B, and C happens and react accordingly by doing X, Y, and Z.

Frame data bro, learn it.
 

Wigy

There it is...
I see where you're coming from, but the same could be said for anything in this game. A character does a move that's technically unsafe, but push back and/or block stun causes it to be safe. Or how even tho you have the advantage and go for a D1 that it gets beat out by a 10 frame throw. This one is even better. How about where you d1 on hit, but get poked back because you next input is a high or not fast enough, even tho you have hit advantage?!
Literally none of what you said has relevence to anything.

If you're getting grabbed out of pokes on plus, your execution is bad.

If you can't jail you pokes on hit into a high, your execution is bad.

Not that this has any relevence to what i was saying.

My point is, if you're +15 and go for a grab, it will whiff, grabs cannot occur during block/hitstun.

It would be broken to get a guaranteed grab off every poke, that why that failsafe exists.

You have just listed details of how you suck at the game execution wise and then somehow this proves a point with no relevence.

dont be a condesending dick to people if you have no clue.
 

True Grave

Giving The Gift Of Graves
Literally none of what you said has relevence to anything.

If you're getting grabbed out of pokes on plus, your execution is bad.

If you can't jail you pokes on hit into a high, your execution is bad.

Not that this has any relevence to what i was saying.

My point is, if you're +15 and go for a grab, it will whiff, grabs cannot occur during block/hitstun.

It would be broken to get a guaranteed grab off every poke, that why that failsafe exists.

You have just listed details of how you suck at the game execution wise and then somehow this proves a point with no relevence.

dont be a condesending dick to people if you have no clue.
Lmfao, I have great execution and not once did I say I was having those problems. I was stating situations that do happen, even to high level players. True, I shouldn't have been condescending, but that doesn't negate the fact that nothing is OP, or broken. iAT is reactable and he just needs to lab.
 

Wigy

There it is...
Lmfao, I have great execution and not once did I say I was having those problems. I was stating situations that do happen, even to high level players. True, I shouldn't have been condescending, but that doesn't negate the fact that nothing is OP, or broken. iAT is reactable and he just needs to lab.
Your condescending remark was to do with the mimicry grab not iat.

Dont make snide remarks if you dont understand core mechanics like not being able to grab if someone is locked in your plus frames
 

True Grave

Giving The Gift Of Graves
Your condescending remark was to do with the mimicry grab not iat.

Dont make snide remarks if you dont understand core mechanics like not being able to grab if someone is locked in your plus frames
What I find bothersome is how you're singling me out because in your mind I'm making snide remarks or being condescending. You have no clue as to what I know and/or don't know. This isn't my first FG and certainly won't be my last. I understand core mechanics in which you can't go directly into a grab depending on the hit/block stun. However, they allow it to be done with Shinnok, you can also delay your inputs knowing about that failsafe and still be able to grab them (any character) and I'm not making snide remarks left and right so please hop off my dick.

The reason why I said what I said and don't feel bad about it is because he's clearly not labbed it and in turn complains about something before labbing it. That's like me telling my boss at work that a machine isn't working, yet I don't even have it plugged in.
 

Wigy

There it is...
What I find bothersome is how you're singling me out because in your mind I'm making snide remarks or being condescending. You have no clue as to what I know and/or don't know. This isn't my first FG and certainly won't be my last. I understand core mechanics in which you can't go directly into a grab depending on the hit/block stun. However, they allow it to be done with Shinnok, you can also delay your inputs knowing about that failsafe and still be able to grab them (any character) and I'm not making snide remarks left and right so please hop off my dick.

The reason why I said what I said and don't feel bad about it is because he's clearly not labbed it and in turn complains about something before labbing it. That's like me telling my boss at work that a machine isn't working, yet I don't even have it plugged in.
If you read back, he said you should be allowed to neutral duck it, you said hes +14 and so cant duck.

That suggested you didnt know how grabs worked. So either way you either worded it really badly, or didnt know what you were talking about.

Anyone reading this i have no opinion on shinnock this dude was just being a douche
 
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ArmedCalf

I guess I play Necromancer now.. PSN: ArmedCalf
Hindsight being 20/20, when you look at what mimicry was and like the potential of it, and you look at what it is now, nothing Impostor has seems so bad. Cept for 19% on Cassie and F/T but that's minor compared to what he lost (ability to throw mind games at people, ability to whiff garbage moves, meter build opportunity, interactable shenanigans, more potential to loop, etc.). Like his MU's vs Goro, Takeda, probably D'vorah still, Predator, MU's where he could whiff the move if he had to have all gotten worse. MU's where the fact he could loop until death as a defense to the dumb shit such as Sub and Ermac, that's a lot harder to do now and they kept all their shit so he probably loses to them now. As far as MU's go he probably does lose more than he did. I still think the character is great though, it's just trickier.
 

GAV

Resolution through knowledge and resolve.
Shinnok is fine in this meta. Just change his stance to make it look less like he wants to grope his opponent.
 

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
Hindsight being 20/20, when you look at what mimicry was and like the potential of it, and you look at what it is now, nothing Impostor has seems so bad. Cept for 19% on Cassie and F/T but that's minor compared to what he lost (ability to throw mind games at people, ability to whiff garbage moves, meter build opportunity, interactable shenanigans, more potential to loop, etc.). Like his MU's vs Goro, Takeda, probably D'vorah still, Predator, MU's where he could whiff the move if he had to have all gotten worse. MU's where the fact he could loop until death as a defense to the dumb shit such as Sub and Ermac, that's a lot harder to do now and they kept all their shit so he probably loses to them now. As far as MU's go he probably does lose more than he did. I still think the character is great though, it's just trickier.
I will still always hate this matchup, have you seen what Impostor gets against Leatherface? it's disgusting.
 

foxdie

Noob
don't worry, they'll come after shinnok with pitchforks and torches soon enough once the community is done crying about ermac... and then they'll move on to the next character, and so on.
 
Mimicry could be +9 and you all would still bitch because f4 is guaranteed "so if you hesitate at all by trying to block the low he gets a free grab!"

lol TYM

Just nerf Shinnok into the ground. You all would still be trash.
They should make hellsparks -100 and these jokers will still complain that they can't punish it
 

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
If Shinnok gets a 6 frame command grab can I complain too
First, his command grab is 8f now, got nerfed, secondly, are you REALLY trying to downplay how completely garbage that matchup is for Butcher? Because that's what that statement is saying to me (correct me if I'm wrong please and this conversation can end) in that matchup Impostor gets Leatherface's restand which means his setplay is increased 10 fold. He gets IMMENSE amounts of damage because of this. And Butcher can have an annoying time with Hellsparks. It's...kind of gross.
 

LeftOverShark

Tick Throw Specialist
Hindsight being 20/20, when you look at what mimicry was and like the potential of it, and you look at what it is now, nothing Impostor has seems so bad. Cept for 19% on Cassie and F/T but that's minor compared to what he lost (ability to throw mind games at people, ability to whiff garbage moves, meter build opportunity, interactable shenanigans, more potential to loop, etc.). Like his MU's vs Goro, Takeda, probably D'vorah still, Predator, MU's where he could whiff the move if he had to have all gotten worse. MU's where the fact he could loop until death as a defense to the dumb shit such as Sub and Ermac, that's a lot harder to do now and they kept all their shit so he probably loses to them now. As far as MU's go he probably does lose more than he did. I still think the character is great though, it's just trickier.
Don't you mean hindsight being 50/50? NoKappa
 

Wigy

There it is...
But lets be real here with all these shinnocks making jokes about punishing hellsparks, if you have a bar which you almost always do, its a complete nightmare.

And with the IAT, it might be reactable but you have to be looki g for it, which allows him to jump around like an idiot.