Question Who does the Variation system benefit the most?

[RequiemOfaVortex]

Would you not agree that Kotal has a very hard time getting in on zoners?
With defence totem and Sun-ray he can just sit back all game, so the opponent has to come to him?

They can sit back and build meter then come and take his booty with a breaker to fall back on but I see your point honestly I would just pick another character that has a better way to deal with zoning rather sun tanning

 

[Invincible Salads]

Would you not agree that Kotal has a very hard time getting in on zoners?
With defence totem and Sun-ray he can just sit back all game, so the opponent has to come to him?

if were talking characters like quan chi or HQT pred? no, they'll chip him the fuck out still and build tons of meter.

 

[RequiemOfaVortex]

if were talking characters like quan chi or HQT pred? no, they'll chip him the fuck out still and build tons of meter.

This is true Full auto would build meter then 50/50 him break if anything goes wrong no reason to do that to yourself switch to Sektor and have a fighting chance...

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Subzero. He has the least amount of bad matchups if we switch between GM and UB.
For example Lasher and Mystic are probably hard matchup for GM but Unbreakable Sub makes those even

No way are they even vs UB. Even though you can parry whips, Lasher can still jump around like a fuckin retard, Mystic still dunks on you in the neutral, it just makes them not 3-7, doesn't mean they are even.

 

[GrimJack]

Many of you say millena but imo it's just that her base is already excellent. her added tools in other variation are good but aren't the best. My case is Ermac since his base except from good normals, it is almost all garbage

 

[Ragnarök Tyr]

Mileena, Kano, Tanya, Ermac and Shinnok


What does this mean?

It means if you block the setup Ermac is roughly +17 and if you try to move you get launched for full combo.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

I wouldn't say Kotal at all. The B1 and armor nerfs really killed War God, the B1 nerf and weird Blood God specific nerfs destroyed that variation for serious play, Sun God is really the only usable variation imo.

 

[KHTC Takgillo]

No way are they even vs UB. Even though you can parry whips, Lasher can still jump around like a fuckin (soap bar in my mouth), Mystic still dunks on you in the neutral, it just makes them not 3-7, doesn't mean they are even.

If they jump slide always works I doubt UB make the mystic MU any better but vs Lasher it's not bad

 

[Dankster Morgan]

If they jump slide always works I doubt UB make the mystic MU any better but vs Lasher it's not bad

Slide is alright I was talking about anti air combos. If I have aura up I'll ex slide though.

 

[SylverRye]

Mileena. Ive played against him a ton and we discussed about her plenty of time. He thinks between all variations she only has 3 losing mus.

Ermac, kitana, shinnok, quan benefit heavily from the variation system as well.

 

[Invincible Salads]

Mileena. Ive played against him a ton and we discussed about her plenty of time. He thinks between all variations she only has 3 losing mus.

Ermac, kitana, shinnok, quan benefit heavily from the variation system as well.

isnt necro still kinda ass?

 

[Dogeofthesea]

No way are they even vs UB. Even though you can parry whips, Lasher can still jump around like a fuckin (soap bar in my mouth), Mystic still dunks on you in the neutral, it just makes them not 3-7, doesn't mean they are even.

UB can ex slide a million gaps in most of Lasher's main footsie tool for full combos. And Lasher's jump 2 is quite slow, you can win air to air with him. Stop pretending Sub's jump 1 is bad and Lasher has good anti air/jump normals. It's debatable that UB wins this matchup
About Mystic I'm not sure if it's even or not but UB does much better. The fact UB can punish all of his OH/low strings with ex slide, and taking no chip during B124, F34 stagger is huge

 

[Dankster Morgan]

UB can ex slide a million gaps in most of Lasher's main footsie tool for full combos

Yeah cuz he can do a 23% combo a couple times a match with the pre requisites of having a bar, having aura, and the Takeda player using a string he doesn't need to until aura disappears. It's definitely a great tool to keep him off your back, but imo Takeda is too powerful midscreen for it to be a clean 5-5.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

Mileena, Ermac and Sub seem like the standouts to me.

Kung Lao should be up there too. Hat Trick and Buzz Saw have both come a long way.

 

[RevetLeafing]

Tanya

 

[Kooron Nation]

A lot of people are saying Ermac but there is literally no reason to pick Master of Souls over Mystic or Spectral?

@RevetLeafing also why use Kobu over DN?

 

[Invincible Salads]

why would u put sub? his other 2 variations besides gm are bills.

 

[RevetLeafing]

A lot of people are saying Ermac but there is literally no reason to pick Master of Souls over Mystic or Spectral?

@RevetLeafing also why use Kobu over DN?

Kobu is great for Ermac, Kenshi, Ninjitsu Scorpion, Predator HQT, Cyrax, over the other 2.

Her mixup and pressure game is still there..

 

[STRYKIE]

It means if you block the setup Ermac is roughly +17 and if you try to move you get launched for full combo.

Do you have footage of the setup you're referring to? My best guess is that it's something to do with the Soul Trap (BF1 after Soul Ball) but even I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this lol.

 

[Shaikhuzzaman]

Which characters do you guys think the Variation System works for the most?
Basically meaning, which character has 3 viable variations that can be used in different scenarios? Such as one defensive, one offensive, and maybe one gimmicky/space control variation.

Personally I feel Mileena benefits from it the most, Piercing is a great zoning/space control variation, Ravenous is a great offensive variation with the safe pounces and the pressure of getting opened up if you block low, and Ethereal probably more defensive than offensive but it could go both ways.

Other notable characters I can think of are: Kitana, Kano, Quan Chi (if portal stab worked properly), Kotal Kahn, Sonya, Liu Kang, Takeda, Goro.

Quan back in the day when warlock was good. Summoner and sorcerer are still two excellent variations for one character to have though even though warlock is dead

 

[Ragnarök Tyr]

@STRYKIE

 

[Dankster Morgan]

why would u put sub? his other 2 variations besides gm are bills.

I think Cryo is redundant, if it got deleted from the game it wouldn't effect Sub's tier position at all. I literally can't think of one matchup where Cryo should be the go to.

GM is potato and really good right now

UB is a utility variation that can make Grandmaster's death matches and losing matches more manageable. Still though I don't think he wins any of Grandmaster's losing matchups, but makes them more reasonable to win.

If you're a Sub loyalist you need to main GM and learn Unbreakable for the Takeda and Kenshi matchups (there's probably more like Tremor for example) but those are the main ones to me. Cryo isn't shit or anything, just kinda redundant unless for fun.

 

[Invincible Salads]

I think Cryo is redundant, if it got deleted from the game it wouldn't effect Sub's tier position at all. I literally can't think of one matchup where Cryo should be the go to.

GM is potato and really good right now

UB is a utility variation that can make Grandmaster's death matches and losing matches more manageable. Still though I don't think he wins any of Grandmaster's losing matchups, but makes them more reasonable to win.

If you're a Sub loyalist you need to main GM and learn Unbreakable for the Takeda and Kenshi matchups (there's probably more like Tremor for example) but those are the main ones to me. Cryo isn't shit or anything, just kinda redundant unless for fun.

i mean honestly, cryomancer is trading an anti-footsies tool for slightly more options to mix with. so in other words, its something he doesnt really need.

unbreakable can help a little with his bad mu's, but don't think its gonna turn his 3-7's into 5-5's or his 5-5's into 7-3's

 

[Dankster Morgan]

i mean honestly, cryomancer is trading an anti-footsies tool for slightly more options to mix with. so in other words, its something he doesnt really need.

unbreakable can help a little with his bad mu's, but don't think its gonna turn his 3-7's into 5-5's or his 5-5's into 7-3's

Yeah I agree. Possessed and Lasher for starters is closer to even but still probably not. However I think Shirai Ryu goes from 4-6 to 5-5.