Discussion [VOTE]Who is the WORST variation in the game right now?

[RequiemOfaVortex]

Venomous is also pretty damn bad. After the F2 nerf I wouldn't even say her "good neutral" makes up for it. She's really bad. Worse than lackey tho? Maybe not, but wanna hear some opinions about her.

Honestly i think she is solid....The only problems I have are

1 Bug juice (DF1) isnt plus on block anymore no real reason why im upset about that just butthurt
2 Her ex df1 knocks the opponent full screen on hit which I feel is pretty dumb its super safe on block so there isnt much risk using it but after doing so mid screen you have to try and get in all over again

 

[RequiemOfaVortex]

Leather face Killer

Please pass whatever you smoking folk fr have you played a decent leather face?
Decent armor
50/50s
easy 40% off of one bar
staggers (not the best but far from the worst)
killer stance eats a fireball on startup and has a safe advancing option along with a overhead that restands (I forgot to mention the unblockable)
pretty good range on b2 b4 and d4
cheeky resets
Lastly and most important make leatherface noises
leatherface lacks in many places but I feel its made up for with a few things

 

[Skedar70]

I don't see how an armor move that can be thrown out there with little consequence since its plus can be considered overrated when there are other characters have to be careful armoring or they will get full combo punished if blocked.

Metered or not, a 50/50 is still a 50/50. Either choose to spend a bar and launch, or use it like Scorpions F2 and dunk on opponents til they are tired of getting dunked on, then open up for he low. Besides im not sure why you are bringing higher tier chars into this conversation when this thread is about low tiers. Its obvious he is nothing like those chars. I never said this variation was great, top 5 contender. I just said he was better than the variations that are really really bad which imo is Lackey and Heavy Weapons with Warlock and Drunk Master close behind.

Warrior can set up self destruct after any bnb that starts midscreen and ends in the corner, and yes he is able to activate self destruct after HKDs. More specifically raw F4s and insta air pounces.




Hell no im not about to play Warrior vs any variation of Kitana if the player is at least half decent. That MU is ass...




Either check out the forums or I can show you some other stuff with the character that hasn't been posted on the forums.

You just confirmed what I just said his tools are meh. Self destruct cannot be activated after raw F4 o insta air pounces you will get punished, pressured or you are too far and have to get in again and land a hit to which you will only end up losing 10% for nothing this is a huge risk I wouldn't recommend to anyone.

I don't no about HW Jacks or Drunken master but Lackey and Warlock are better than Warrior. Its easier for lackey to stay in just because of his stagger pressure. Warlock has everything Quan chi, 50/50 that can be made safe, good staggers into 50/50, zoning. Warlock shouldn't even be mentioned in this discussion.

 

[GAV]

And what does that have to do with the question of who is the worst in the game?

Worst is relative and the character's build matters, but who the character is matters too. The character's designers should at least try to make the character a little cool.

I don't care that the character is gay, but its like the designers were afraid to give him any personality whatsoever. In a game of characters bursting with personality, he's a gay John Everyman.

 

[neveradestroyer]

Worst is relative and the character's build matters, but who the character is matters too. The character's designers should at least try to make the character a little cool.

I don't care that the character is gay, but its like the designers were afraid to give him any personality whatsoever. In a game of characters bursting with personality, he's a gay John Everyman.

He has personality. Don't you see how He jumps?. It's hillarious. It's showing personality right there. hahahahaha.

 

[GAV]

He has personality. Don't you see how He jumps?. It's hillarious. It's showing personality right there. hahahahaha.

Lol.

Outside of Kotal Kahn, I think MKX's new characters are a little bland. Kung Jin is the blandest, but Jaqui's design isn't very exciting either. They both have good tools, but their personalities and looks are boring. I think NRS was afraid to make them too dynamic fearing they would be seen as cultural charactatures.

I would have liked to see these characters based off cultural icons. Neil Patrick Harris is gay and most people aren't so its not something they can relate to, but he's such an awesome icon in movies and television that he's easy to relate to. Cassie Cage is kind of a mix of her parents and Felice Herrig and it works. If Kung Jin was a mix of Kung Lao and Neil Patrick Harris, that would be awesome. Jacqui fights like Jax, but her personality is kind of bland. If she were more like her father in personilty and had more of a backstory, she would be more interesting. Who is her mother? Its just kind of dry. If her mother was someone we knew, we could better relate to Jacqui if Jacqui were to show that some of her mother's personality traits were passed on. I know this seems like a wall of text that just splits hairs, but character personalities are a very important component.

 

[Skedar70]

Lol.

Outside of Kotal Kahn, I think MKX's new characters are a little bland. Kung Jin is the blandest, but Jaqui's design isn't very exciting either. They both have good tools, but their personalities and looks are boring. I think NRS was afraid to make them too dynamic fearing they would be seen as cultural charactatures.

I would have liked to see these characters based off cultural icons. Neil Patrick Harris is gay and most people aren't so its not something they can relate to, but he's such an awesome icon in movies and television that he's easy to relate to. Cassie Cage is kind of a mix of her parents and Felice Herrig and it works. If Kung Jin was a mix of Kung Lao and Neil Patrick Harris, that would be awesome. Jacqui fights like Jax, but her personality is kind of bland. If she were more like her father in personilty and had more of a backstory, she would be more interesting. Who is her mother? Its just kind of dry. If her mother was someone we knew, we could better relate to Jacqui if Jacqui were to show that some of her mother's personality traits were passed on. I know this seems like a wall of text that just splits hairs, but character personalities are a very important component.

All of the young special forces characters are bland in design and in personality. I think Dvorah and F/T are very interesting I mean a bug lady and a midget and behemoth duo.

 

[GAV]

All of the young special forces characters are bland in design and in personality. I think Dvorah and F/T are very interesting I mean a bug lady and a midget and behemoth duo.

I'm not as big on DV's design as others, but I acknowledge that her design has struck gold with many players. FT is OK, but I definitely think that he could be much better with a few personality tweaks. They should have made Torr intelligent, but mute - and made Ferra's interactions with Torr less like an owner and pet's relationship and more give and take. Occasionally, there should be dissent in their collective.

My favorite character design is Tremor, but I think Kotal Kahn has a great design as well.

 

[Vigilante24]

You just confirmed what I just said his tools are meh. Self destruct cannot be activated after raw F4 o insta air pounces you will get punished, pressured or you are too far and have to get in again and land a hit to which you will only end up losing 10% for nothing this is a huge risk I wouldn't recommend to anyone.

Off F4 it is character specific and a little situational but yes he can. Off insta air pounce and jump kick on hit into pounce, most definitely he can. Safe enough not even wakeup spin with Lao will punish and he is free to avoid any kind of button pressing you try to do on wakeup.

I don't no about HW Jacks or Drunken master but Lackey and Warlock are better than Warrior. Its easier for lackey to stay in just because of his stagger pressure. Warlock has everything Quan chi, 50/50 that can be made safe, good staggers into 50/50, zoning. Warlock shouldn't even be mentioned in this discussion.

Lackey's staggers are meh, and only get better because online. He gets zoned out even harder than any variation of Bo and Warrior/Hunter Predator. The rest, i'll let the F/T mains state their reasons.

The fact that your argument for Warlock not being in this discussion is because Quan's base character is good without mentioning any kind of benefit to using his variation specific tools, just shows how bad this variation is now. When the variation specific tools now add little to nothing of value to the base character. Minus well just play variationless Quan if that is the case.

 

[RevetLeafing]

Please pass whatever you smoking bro fr have taken him into the lab at all?
Decent armor
50/50s
easy 40% off of one bar
staggers (not the best but far from the worst)
killer stance eats a fireball on startup and has a safe advancing option along with a overhead that restands
pretty good range on b2 b4 and d4
Lastly and most important make leatherface noises

First off, please don't call me "bro"
Second off, Leatherface is buns and sucks

 

[GOOD DRAGON]

Jax isn't in a great position, but there is no way he is bottom 1 variation in the game tier. Wrestler's pressure was way nicer, HW pressure you didn't even need to poke you could just jab out into full combo, Wrestler had some real nice mixes off so much on block. Meanzuga was a jax main all 3 variations, so I know he knows hes shit on this character and has no reason to embellish in favour of the character. I'm not sure why we are bringing up Jax execution from like a year ago, but its been patched to make it a lot more consistent now so that's not really relevant to his position now.

Also, poking out of pressure is VERY relevant when the gap is so large that you can just open up into a full combo off standing 1, just because he tried to go for a second 3 hit block string. The risk/reward was heavily against you which is why people always said HW's pressure was a gimmick, right?

I never said jax was bottom 1 variation I don't know where you got that from.

"HW pressure you didn't even need to poke you could just jab out "

Erm not really sure what you mean by this- if you mean the jax player does a minus cancel and keeps on pressing buttons after he is minus and you punish him with a string then that's a bad jax. On block the cancels are there to make him safe - so I do a cancel I block you press buttons if your minus it's my turn again. So not sure how your punishing jax on his pressure perhaps you could elaborate on that?

Also wrestlers pressure isn't way nicer when you can duck the projectile and whiff punish or neutral jump his command grabs anything else he has like good buttons HW has aswell so not sure where this way nicer pressure is coming from perhaps you could give an example?

I brought up execution because (if you go back and read what I said) you can still do his prepatch combo in this new patch the difference is it's even harder - you have to neutral duck after a cancel and for some reason it doesn't use half a bar of stamina then you can input 123 ex OH and still run after. It's kinda hard to do on the spot with every punish/ hit confirm. Give it a go if you like.

Also a string that no one uses with jax is b122 which is 11f mid mid mid and plus 1 on block this comes in very handy when you have conditioned your opponent to expect the whole string because it is still cancelable

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Lol.

Outside of Kotal Kahn, I think MKX's new characters are a little bland. Kung Jin is the blandest, but Jaqui's design isn't very exciting either. They both have good tools, but their personalities and looks are boring. I think NRS was afraid to make them too dynamic fearing they would be seen as cultural charactatures.

I would have liked to see these characters based off cultural icons. Neil Patrick Harris is gay and most people aren't so its not something they can relate to, but he's such an awesome icon in movies and television that he's easy to relate to. Cassie Cage is kind of a mix of her parents and Felice Herrig and it works. If Kung Jin was a mix of Kung Lao and Neil Patrick Harris, that would be awesome. Jacqui fights like Jax, but her personality is kind of bland. If she were more like her father in personilty and had more of a backstory, she would be more interesting. Who is her mother? Its just kind of dry. If her mother was someone we knew, we could better relate to Jacqui if Jacqui were to show that some of her mother's personality traits were passed on. I know this seems like a wall of text that just splits hairs, but character personalities are a very important component.

For the 8 new characters from coolest to lamest I think:
1. Kotal: great design, says cool stuff, sounds cool, does cool stuff

2. Takeda: telekentic ninja with barbed energy whips, trained by Scorpion, son of Kenshi. I'd be sold on that alone

3. Cassie: cool design, talks shit like crazy, just a cool character

4. D'Vorah: most interesting design in the game imo

5. F/T: nice design, I like the tag team type of thing they have going

6. Erron Black: he's a cowboy so that's cool enough I guess

7. Kung Jin: he's a dude with a bow and arrow, just a much less cool Takeda, the connection to Lao and the shaolin is the only interesting thing about him imo

8. Jacqui: extremely boring design, and the same way Jin is a less cool Takeda, she is a less cool Cassie.

 

[RequiemOfaVortex]

First off, please don't call me "bro"
Second off, Leatherface is buns and sucks

im not saying hes top 10 just hes far from the worst in the game has much better tools than lackey

 

[Kooron Nation]

It's a toss up between Unstoppable, Impostor, and Sektor?

 

[Revenant Zero]

Cryomancer. The Cryo Hype is all I need to reference. Command Grab did shit.

 

[Alright RyRy]

Why are people saying Heavy Weapons? You people do realize that he can LAW cancel into a full combo still correct? (and it is meterless.)

1. Lackey is the worst.
2. Warrior Predator is really good, nobody uses him.

 

[Pan1cMode]

For the 8 new characters from coolest to lamest I think:
1. Kotal: great design, says cool stuff, sounds cool, does cool stuff

2. Takeda: telekentic ninja with barbed energy whips, trained by Scorpion, son of Kenshi. I'd be sold on that alone

3. Cassie: cool design, talks shit like crazy, just a cool character

4. D'Vorah: most interesting design in the game imo

5. F/T: nice design, I like the tag team type of thing they have going

6. Erron Black: he's a cowboy so that's cool enough I guess

7. Kung Jin: he's a dude with a bow and arrow, just a much less cool Takeda, the connection to Lao and the shaolin is the only interesting thing about him imo

8. Jacqui: extremely boring design, and the same way Jin is a less cool Takeda, she is a less cool Cassie.

See, I don't get why everyone hates on Jacqui. I think she's hella interesting. Just listen to her in game dialogue and her character intros. Shes hella sassy and shit talks as good as the rest of them. She's certainly as interesting as Jax is at least. Also, her costumes are friggen amazing. She has 3 insanely good costumes and one ehhh costume that still doesn't look terrible.

This is my first MK game so every character is new to me. Maybe that's why? But I don't see why everyone disses her for lacking personality when it seems ubundantly clear (to me at least) that she's bursting with it.

 

[GOOD DRAGON]

Just for the record i never said HW jax was the worst i just argued against lackey being the worst and then i got told that they messed up his armour which i didn't know about so ye i guess lackey struggles now. But HW jax deff isn't the worst

 

[The_Tile]

You just mentioned the only good tools he has. The armor +6 is overrated. What good is it if you can only follow it with d4 because of the push back? b3 and insta air OH DB2 is just a 50/50 that requires meter in order to combo how good is this compared to Sonya or Kung Jin 50/50 that are meterless and lead to combos? Self destruct setups are good but they are situational and can only be set up in the corner after you have landed a combo. You can't just set it up in HKD like other set play characters.

Seriously these tools are the only thing he has but they are very overrated.

Do you have a good Warrior? Can we play so you can show me? maybe i'm wrong but I do believe this is one if not the worse variation.

You just confirmed what I just said his tools are meh. Self destruct cannot be activated after raw F4 o insta air pounces you will get punished, pressured or you are too far and have to get in again and land a hit to which you will only end up losing 10% for nothing this is a huge risk I wouldn't recommend to anyone.

I don't no about HW Jacks or Drunken master but Lackey and Warlock are better than Warrior. Its easier for lackey to stay in just because of his stagger pressure. Warlock has everything Quan chi, 50/50 that can be made safe, good staggers into 50/50, zoning. Warlock shouldn't even be mentioned in this discussion.

It's official, you suck!

At posting. You're a moron.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

See, I don't get why everyone hates on Jacqui. I think she's hella interesting. Just listen to her in game dialogue and her character intros. Shes hella sassy and shit talks as good as the rest of them. She's certainly as interesting as Jax is at least. Also, her costumes are friggen amazing. She has 3 insanely good costumes and one ehhh costume that still doesn't look terrible.

This is my first MK game so every character is new to me. Maybe that's why? But I don't see why everyone disses her for lacking personality when it seems ubundantly clear (to me at least) that she's bursting with it.

That's fine I'm glad you like your character and think she's cool

 

[RevetLeafing]

For the 8 new characters from coolest to lamest I think:
1. Kotal: great design, says cool stuff, sounds cool, does cool stuff

2. Takeda: telekentic ninja with barbed energy whips, trained by Scorpion, son of Kenshi. I'd be sold on that alone

3. Cassie: cool design, talks shit like crazy, just a cool character

4. D'Vorah: most interesting design in the game imo

5. F/T: nice design, I like the tag team type of thing they have going

6. Erron Black: he's a cowboy so that's cool enough I guess

7. Kung Jin: he's a dude with a bow and arrow, just a much less cool Takeda, the connection to Lao and the shaolin is the only interesting thing about him imo

8. Jacqui: extremely boring design, and the same way Jin is a less cool Takeda, she is a less cool Cassie.

Yeah... About the Jacqui and Cassie thoughts, Jacqui talks Wayyyy better sht than Cassie could ever hope, Their designs are sooo similar, they literally have 2 of the same costumes Cyber Jacqui is amazing especially while playing High Tech, in the Pit Arena , Boot Camp looked pretty lazy, but it's just as bland as undercover Cassie, the "less cool Cassie" is like a way of saying you MUST compare her to Cassie, which you shouldn't I could tell NRS knew what they were doing with this character. They didn't want her coming on the arena with a perm high heels and a prom gown on. She is the daughter of Jax, a military specialist which she dresses like. So calling her a less cool Cassie is just really wrong. And God I Hate when people call Jacqui generic because of her ground pound. Meanwhile Cassie has nut punch, air tackle, regular tackle, cartwheel, blowing kiss etc. Cassie and Jacqui default costumes is way to similar to call Jacqui's boring while Cassie's is just sooo amazing.

 

[RequiemOfaVortex]

It's a toss up between Unstoppable, Impostor, and Sektor?

you forgot assassin and smoke

 

[GAV]

For the 8 new characters from coolest to lamest I think:
1. Kotal: great design, says cool stuff, sounds cool, does cool stuff

2. Takeda: telekentic ninja with barbed energy whips, trained by Scorpion, son of Kenshi. I'd be sold on that alone

3. Cassie: cool design, talks shit like crazy, just a cool character

4. D'Vorah: most interesting design in the game imo

5. F/T: nice design, I like the tag team type of thing they have going

6. Erron Black: he's a cowboy so that's cool enough I guess

7. Kung Jin: he's a dude with a bow and arrow, just a much less cool Takeda, the connection to Lao and the shaolin is the only interesting thing about him imo

8. Jacqui: extremely boring design, and the same way Jin is a less cool Takeda, she is a less cool Cassie.

For me, they're all kind of cool. Well, all but Kung Jin because he's corny. DV does nothing for me, but I can see why people like her. One and two are locks (Tremor and Kotal), but Ermac, Triborg, and Raiden are 3, 4, & 5 for me for sure.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Yeah... About the Jacqui and Cassie thoughts, Jacqui talks Wayyyy better sht than Cassie could ever hope, Their designs are sooo similar, they literally have 2 of the same costumes Cyber Jacqui is amazing especially while playing High Tech, in the Pit Arena , Boot Camp looked pretty lazy, but it's just as bland as undercover Cassie, the "less cool Cassie" is like a way of saying you MUST compare her to Cassie, which you shouldn't I could tell NRS knew what they were doing with this character. They didn't want her coming on the arena with a perm high heels and a prom gown on. She is the daughter of Jax, a military specialist which she dresses like. So calling her a less cool Cassie is just really wrong. And God I Hate when people call Jacqui generic because of her ground pound. Meanwhile Cassie has nut punch, air tackle, regular tackle, cartwheel, blowing kiss etc. Cassie and Jacqui default costumes is way to similar to call Jacqui's boring while Cassie's is just sooo amazing.

Jacqui's default is just basic military shit, when nothing in MK should be "basic" it's supposed to be over the top. Boot camp is more basic military shit, the Cyber costume is amazing though, that's pretty dope. And yeah imo she's a more boring Cassie they both talk a lot of shit, Cassie is just funnier. I like Cassie's default, the design is at least more in depth and detailed then just plain camo.

 

[STRYKIE]

First off, please don't call me "bro"
Second off, Leatherface is buns and sucks

Leatherface is good bro